Sable vs Chocolate

Hi Mario. I'm glad to hear that male is looking good to you. I just didn't have the experience with them to know what is what and while I did get a few helpful replies to posted pics trying to ID him before the sale I just wasn't sure. Actually I offered to send him to the guy who proved the mom (whatever it is, we are calling Garcia as not 100% sure it's the same as chocolate) for him to breed to his half sisters but we weren’t sure he was worth the shipping fee. That founder pet store female of mine does seem to produce a range of weird offspring from some very striking to some only slight variations from normal. From the few I did keep it doesn't surprise me that age would help. One of these day's I'll have to find time to get the camera out and try to get some pictures that represent the Garcia well and get some more feedback as to if it might be the same as chocolate or sable.

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Originally Posted by SUPERBALLS

so your telling me a sable looks the same to a chocolate like the one on bhb, and if there hasnt been a sable pin made how do you know what a super sable pin will look, so your saying your right with no proof yet!!!

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Slow down speedy. Go back and read my post again. I said I believe that the Super Sable Pin will look identical as a Camo Ball. With that said, I still have yet to see the picture of the Sable Pin that you said does not look as good as a Chocolate Pin. Everyone is entitled to opinion, and I decided to share mine in this post. We shall see later in the season what the Sable gene will do to a Pin (unless you show us your picture before that).

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Originally Posted by Louis Kirkland

Let's see it! :)

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Sorry for the late response, but here is my chocolate next to a pastel:

http://www.b-p.org/balls/chocolate_and_pastel.jpg

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Originally Posted by BrandonsBalls

Sorry for the late response, but here is my chocolate next to a pastel:

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NICE! Thanks for posting the pic. What are your breeding plans for him?

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Originally Posted by Louis Kirkland

NICE! Thanks for posting the pic. What are your breeding plans for him?

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nooooooooooo idea (yet)

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Originally Posted by Louis Kirkland

NICE! Thanks for posting the pic. What are your breeding plans for him?

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...one thing I plan to do is make more and pair him with about 2 normal fem's.

Here's an older shot of our 06 import female chocolate.
http://www.centralontarioexotics.com.../chocolate.jpg
We bred a bumblebee to her this year but she was a bit thin at 1800g and didn't produce eggs unfortunately. We believe this to be the same as BHBs chocolates and with any luck we will get to see some crosses next year.

-John

Anyone work with both Bell Chocolate and BHB Chocolate? Are there three separate morphs between those two and Sable or are some the same? Anyone actually cross any of them yet so we can eventually get breeding results from the combos to confirm if we have an allele complex here? I've read that even genetic granites might be related.

What about the Garcia Chocolate? I think they are the nicest of all the Chocolate Variations.

Unfortunately three years later I'm still trying to figure all this out. I think there are some keepers with BHB, Bell, and Garcia so hopefully we can get some new news soon as to if these are the same or different. I tried to trade for a Bell X BHB super last year but didn't work it out so for now I only have the Garcia line. Actually there is even a chance I have a 2nd gene from Dan Garcia's original breeding of my founding Garcia female to a dinker male I think he got from RDR. Lots of fun confusing work to try and figure it all out.