HR669 is Illegal according to the US Constitution

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Originally Posted by ivylea77

If we are allowed to keep our current pets how will we feed them? If rats and mice end up on that list then what? Manufacturers, distrubutors, and many others will be out of work not to mention all the breeders of these various animals. Its silly and has so many deep unthought out consequences.

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Mice and rats are native.

I understand that, but as someone stated before, this "list" and law is open to many changes and interpertations.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

Mice and rats are native.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

Mice and rats are native.

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NOPE. Rats (norway and roof) are both invasive. Brought by ships across the atlantic many many centuries ago.

Not only that but I don't remember seeing them on the list of exempt speices..So rats and mice are up there too.. By By feeders

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does not include any cat (Felis catus),
8 cattle or oxen (Bos taurus), chicken (Gallus
9 gallus domesticus), dog (Canis lupus familiaris),
10 donkey or ass (Equus asinus), domesticated
11 members of the family Anatidae (geese), duck
12 (domesticated Anas spp.), goat (Capra aegagrus
13 hircus), goldfish (Carassius auratus auratus),
14 horse (Equus caballus), llama (Lama glama),
15 mule or hinny (Equus caballus x E. asinus), pig
16 or hog (Sus scrofa domestica), domesticated va17
rieties of rabbit (Oryctolagus cuniculus), or
18 sheep (Ovis aries), or any other species or vari19
ety of species that is determined by the Sec20
retary to be common and clearly domesticated.

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This is the worrysome part..

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(4) NATIVE SPECIES.—The term ‘‘native species’’ means a species that historically occurred or currently occurs in the United States, other than as
a result of an intentional or unintentional introduction by humans.

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That means at any time horses, dogs, cats, most anything other than native animals (which are illegal to possess in most states anyway) can be added as non-native as a result of the Secutarys approval.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

NOPE. Rats (norway and roof) are both invasive. Brought by ships across the atlantic many many centuries ago.

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Even though both those rats are not native both of them are now consider indegiouns to almost all of America, so even if this joke pass's we will still be able to feed our snakes. There is a specific species of Rat that they will never be able to ban, do to big agencies like the EPA FDA and a few others use for testing. I need to find my notes to found out what one it is.

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Originally Posted by Vandalism

Even though both those rats are not native both of them are now consider indegiouns to almost all of America, so even if this joke pass's we will still be able to feed our snakes. There is a specific species of Rat that they will never be able to ban, do to big agencies like the EPA FDA and a few others use for testing. I need to find my notes to found out what one it is.

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They are not indigenous, that is not at all the correct terminology to even apply to an animal that has only been around for a couple hundred years. Where in the world did you get that idea?

ok found it...well some of it. Black rats (Rattus rattus) and Norway rat (Rattus norvegicus), which helped make Sprague-Dawley, Wistar rat,Long-Evans rat, Zucker rat,Hairless rats strain, and the RCS rats. You Know Where would have to freez over before they out law any of those. All these rats are a HUGE role in how/what we use for medicine or lab testing, few ppl keep them as pets. As for a the common rat or ones we like to feed are snake are called the Fancy Rat which is consider a domesticated Rattus norvegicus. With that being said there is no worry if 669 some how gets passed there is no worrys of snakes going hungry.

This bill would fly out the window if they wanted to try to eradicate the common rat, it would cost us Billions of dolloars


Here is a link to a web site that scratchs on species, strains, breeds and varieties
http://www.ratbehavior.org/RatSpecies.htm

Alot of the people in power think the Constitution is nothing more the toilet paper to wipe their butt with. It's sad when we have to fight over what pets we keep. I can understand hots to an extent but Ball pytons, birds, some fish and etc wtf are they thinking.

Well to see just how stupid this whole thing is all you have to do is look at the sponsor and co-sponsors.

Sponsor.
Del. Madeleine Bordallo [D-GU]

Co-sponsors

Rep. Grace Napolitano [D-CA]
Del. Eni Faleomavaega [D-AS]
Rep. Neil Abercrombie [D-HI]
Rep. James McGovern [D-MA]
Rep. Lynn Woolsey [D-CA]
Rep. Raul Grijalva [D-AZ]
Rep. Barbara Lee [D-CA]
Rep. Barney Frank [D-MA]
Rep. Alcee Hastings [D-FL]
Rep. Ronald Kind [D-WI]
Rep. Dale Kildee [D-MI]
Rep. Ron Klein [D-FL]
Rep. George Miller [D-CA]

One moderate dem, the rest are far left and rank and file.

Not a lick of sense among any of them.

In answer to Wizzy's question. They want to be able to control every aspect of your lives.

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Originally Posted by Vandalism

ok found it...well some of it. Black rats (Rattus rattus) and Norway rat (Rattus norvegicus), which helped make Sprague-Dawley, Wistar rat,Long-Evans rat, Zucker rat,Hairless rats strain, and the RCS rats. You Know Where would have to freez over before they out law any of those. All these rats are a HUGE role in how/what we use for medicine or lab testing, few ppl keep them as pets. As for a the common rat or ones we like to feed are snake are called the Fancy Rat which is consider a domesticated Rattus norvegicus. With that being said there is no worry if 669 some how gets passed there is no worrys of snakes going hungry.

This bill would fly out the window if they wanted to try to eradicate the common rat, it would cost us Billions of dolloars


Here is a link to a web site that scratchs on species, strains, breeds and varieties
http://www.ratbehavior.org/RatSpecies.htm

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I am well acquainted with ratbehavior.org.

This phrase I bolded. The black rat is actually far less common than the Norway rat. The Norway rat being what we feed our animals, used in research AND is a popular pet, sold in most pet stores, Petco, Petsmart and other large chains.

(Again, not sure why you think few people keep them as pets. There is an entire industry of people that keep them as pets. It is called the Rat Fancy.)

However, I am not sure you understand what this bill literally proposes. That all animals are guilty until proven innocent. It isn't fair in court, it isn't fair now.

Have ALL of you sent an email to your rep?