Re: How bad is your spiders wobble or spinning disorder!
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ScottyDsntKnow
... well in some lines it might be bred out or at least lessened. The further we get away from the first spider the more we can selectively breed it out. I'd also like to get ahold of one that does not spin at all since then I can breed knowing that my offspring would have a good chance of not spinning.
That is counter to what I have read... if it is attached to the allele for the phenotype, you cannot breed it out.
They all have the genes of the original spider male WC, therefore they all have the propensity to spin.
And non-spinners can throw train wrecks and spinners can throw normals. Same with some coming in and out of a spin at various times in their development.
The gene is still there, it just is or is not prominent (or possibly activated).
Bruce
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My spider boy spins like crazy late at night but otherwise acts completely normal. He has the best feeding response of all my snakes and moves about his cage without any problems. However, once his lights go out he has a tendency to crawl up the sides and spin down to the bottom. He looks ridiculous but doesn't seem any worse for it and honestly I like the character it gives him.
Re: How bad is your spiders wobble or spinning disorder!
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Originally Posted by
Bruce Whitehead
That is counter to what I have read... if it is attached to the allele for the phenotype, you cannot breed it out.
They all have the genes of the original spider male WC, therefore they all have the propensity to spin.
And non-spinners can throw train wrecks and spinners can throw normals. Same with some coming in and out of a spin at various times in their development.
The gene is still there, it just is or is not prominent (or possibly activated).
Bruce
There are many possibilities. It could be a gene that has a very close locus to the spider gene, and so the chances of a recombination occurring that would put those genes on different gametes is low, therefore many spiders spin.
It could be a gene that both makes an animal a spider and does something weird to their balancing ability (so it can't be split apart), in which case the difference between a bad spinner and a non spinner has to do with something else in the genome combined with the spider gene, or some environmental factor.
Since this trait appears to be genetic, and genes are passed from parents to offspring, it makes sense that concentrated efforts could figure out the influential factors and give rise to a group of spiders with reduced spin, who when bred will produce more like them.
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I've got a baby male caramel albino that spins, I guess I should video that and post it.
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Mine does that backward thing. He didn't used to, but does now. his feeding response is great. Though, he only wants only live mice. Won't switch to f/t.
As far as personality, he seems a lot more outgoing than most balls.
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Awww...mine either has no wobble or is hardly noticeable because I've never seen her wobble, spin, etc.
Re: How bad is your spiders wobble or spinning disorder!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Bruce Whitehead
That is counter to what I have read... if it is attached to the allele for the phenotype, you cannot breed it out.
They all have the genes of the original spider male WC, therefore they all have the propensity to spin.
And non-spinners can throw train wrecks and spinners can throw normals. Same with some coming in and out of a spin at various times in their development.
The gene is still there, it just is or is not prominent (or possibly activated).
Bruce
I wasn't aware that it was completely hardwired into the genetics where you don't get the spider look without the spinning... that would suck if you couldn't breed it out but I was just going by what little I do know about genetics...like a German Shepherd that has a family history if hip issues but has a REALLY nice coat could be bred to a displaysia free line and after a few generations of selective breeding you could have the nice coat and strong hips. I guess this is not the case or are we not sure yet? My logic says to me that if there are animals that don't have any spinning issues then it can be turned off.
One thing that DOES worry me is that someone is going to produce something that looks completely revolutionary in the BP world but it'll have health issues and they'll breed it anyway. With the Spider it seems that it is extremely rare to have one where the spinning could cause the animal to be unable to live a healthy, comfortable life so I'm ok with it. I'm still on the fence with the Caramel Albinos but it seems like there are lines where the kinking is bred out....
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My spider doesn't have the spins or a wobble... I mean yeah he does waver before striking but nothing beyond what my other snakes do. He eats like a monster too!
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i named my spider "wobbles" for a reason, lol
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I have no idea first hand.
I have 2 spiders, one male, and one female.
Neither of them wobble.
Brandon
