need to know symptoms of pregnancy??

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Originally Posted by tbandpc

We have never had any problems with the snakes together, they were together before we got them. because the tank is so big its seperated into 3 by degrees if that makes sence. the side there logs are on is 97 with has 100 humidity, the middle fluctuates and am not sure why between 80-90, then the other side there is no lamps or anything so it is much cooler. they have on the hot side, heating pad underneath the bedding, 2 heat emitters, and lighting, the middle has a 2ft wide lighting system that gives off heat as well as a heat emitter and the otherside has nothing. they shed in one piece and a friend of ours who worked at a pet store dealing with snakes only said they are healthy. honestly if you seen them i dont think dominence would be an issue. they slither all around each other sometimes mimicking same actions as one another or just roam around the tank. they have there own logs to sleep under, plenty of bedding to burrow under, pc of tree wood or wht ever it is that you get at petco to climb on, big water bowl to lay in if need be. theres plenty in there so its not that we are not taking care of them but she choose to go on the cooler side of the tank. if i look under the tank i can see she is coiled up under the water bowl. but all i can see in the middle of that is bedding. im hoping our friend will come over tonight, and see whats going on.. if she has not layd eggs i will not worry, mayb she just like the moitsture from the water dish.. will find out soon

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you8 should read the care sheets here. there are so many things wrong in your setup u just explained. and the snake is going to get sick staying in 60-65*F. its hiding there because it feels safer. they will reject thermal regulation to feel safe. this is why we must offer 2 hides that they feel safe in on the hot side (90-94*F) and cool side (80-85*F)

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

Just pick up the hide and look. It's a ball python, not a rattle snake. What are your temps? If your temps are where they should be, she would probably be coiled up on the warm side if she was gravid.

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if she was gravid yes she would be seeking the warm side but the reason for her stayin on the cool side around her water dish is she is tryin to build follicles

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Originally Posted by tbandpc

We have never had any problems with the snakes together, they were together before we got them. because the tank is so big its seperated into 3 by degrees if that makes sence. the side there logs are on is 97 with has 100 humidity,

...if she has not layd eggs i will not worry, mayb she just like the moitsture from the water dish.. will find out soon

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100% humidity where the log hides are? Why would you make them choose between extremely high humidity, or being out in the open? Ball pythons are a very shy snake. It sounds like she doesnt want to be in the open anymore and chose the next best thing.

I don't think you should have two snakes of the opposite sex housed together unless for the express purpose of breeding. Which, it doesnt sound like you have a darn clue about.

Breeding a female is an incredibly stressful and energy depleting act that a female goes through for many months! They can get sick. They can refuse food. They don't just lay a little egg like a chicken and move on.

She will spend months refusing to eat, and using her fat stores to grow these eggs inside of her. She could weigh 1200 grams before laying, and those eggs will weigh about 400 grams as a clutch. A THIRD of her weight!

After she lays she will look like a limp rubber hose. Her whole belly will be concave, and she would have used all of her resources to produce a clutch of eggs for you. (Which you would then need to incubate, which I highly advise against for you)

If she eats right away, then your in luck, but it is not uncommon for young females to refuse to eat the entire time the eggs should be incubating.

If you dont get the egg scent off of her, she will lay curled in a ball and twitch, thinking she has eggs she needs to protect and incubate, while continuing to refuse food.

If you do get eggs, and they do manage to hatch, do you have the necessary housing for each animal? Don't expect to put the babies and adults into this huge tank of yours and expect them to live.

They need separate containers, they need to be fed weekly.
Do you have enough money to buy 8+ rats weekly?
Time to change 8+ cages weekly?
Money for each animals housing and husbandry which can cost hundreds of dollars in heating equipment and climate controls?

This is NO light process you think has happened!

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Originally Posted by Face

Agreed, housing BPs together is not a good idea. :colbert: They are solitary snakes and it sounds like she is trying to find a space of her own.

Was she gravid? Have you looked under the water bowl? Either way, I'd seperate them.

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I would have to disagree on that. I have a reg ball and a spyder ball house in the same enviorment everynight and or day they are always together its very rare that I find them apart from each other. Hince the reason I think my reg is prego. Im actually looking for signs of that if you could give me some input on that.

Hi,

Look up dominance behaviour. :)

I'd also suggest starting a new thread rather than digging one up from 2009.


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