living together?

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

...never had a problem with any of that.

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I bet.

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

What benefit do you get from two snakes (morelia) housed separately?

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Originally Posted by Whiffa

They don't fight for dominance, they aren't stressed out. They show no aggression to me, they eat perfectly for me.

They shed perfectly. It's easier to maintain humidity and temperature gradients in two individual habitats than just one.

So can you tell me what benefits you get from housing two NON breeding snakes together? You've completely avoided answering it.

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

...never had a problem with any of that.

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I did answer you. With proper husbandry (ie large enough enclosure...seperating during feeding) one can house pairs 1.1 morelia together in the same enclosure with no problems.

I have never encountered any of those problems with my carpet you mentioned. I have produced viable clutches this way also....snakes need to be healthy to produce viable clutches.

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

I did answer you. With proper husbandry (ie large enough enclosure...seperating during feeding) one can house pairs 1.1 morelia together in the same enclosure with no problems.

I have never encountered any of those problems with my carpet you mentioned. I have produced viable clutches this way also....snakes need to be healthy to produce viable clutches.

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No. I'm asking you what BENEFITS there are to housing them together. Why do you do it? Why don't you separate them when they aren't breeding?

Why dont you go to http://www.moreliapythons.com/ and ask about how others house their morelia...think you may be surprised :)

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Originally Posted by Whiffa

No. I'm asking you what BENEFITS there are to housing them together. Why do you do it? Why don't you separate them when they aren't breeding?

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Again...I get the same 'benefits' as you do when you house the separately.

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

Again...I get the same 'benefits' as you do when you house the separately.

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lol, okay.

Guys, come on, who really cares?

Joshua obviously has happy snakes, 'cause they're eating, breeding, and whatnot.
I don't know him personally, but I've read lots of his posts and I think he's pretty knowledgeable on Carpets.

You, Whiffa, have your own preferences. If you think your carpets will be stressed out, will stop eating, and will fight for dominance, just don't keep them together.

I personally wouldn't house them together, but OBVIOUSLY Joshua has good results. I'm sure he has the right temp gradients, and plenty of space for both of them.

Whiffa, you are barking up the wrong trees bro... joshua knows his business, as does everyone else that has no problems keeping carpets together.

as for the benefits... just take a look at herpetoculture and what it is. it's our window into a snake's world. keeping them together is a whole other aspect of husbandry and there's a lot to be gained by watching the interaction of two animals that live together year round. THAT is the benefit. besides that, if you have a display cage going, there's nothing more impressive that TWO or THREE carpets hanging out together.

obviously you have to make accomodations, nobody is disputing that... all we're saying is that you CAN keep a pair or trio together with no problems, and obvious benefits.

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Originally Posted by Whiffa

Cool, and during breeding season that's perfectly acceptable. And when it's not breeding season, there are no benefits to housing them together.

Thanks for proving my point.

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your point holds no water here, in my opinion, because it has been proven that when you aren't disrupting snakes by shifting them around during breeding season, they often breed readily with little cycling. thus, housing them together year round means they may be more willing to breed, if not just as willing as if they're housed separately.

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Originally Posted by Colin Vestrand

Whiffa, you are barking up the wrong trees bro... joshua knows his business, as does everyone else that has no problems keeping carpets together.

as for the benefits... just take a look at herpetoculture and what it is. it's our window into a snake's world. keeping them together is a whole other aspect of husbandry and there's a lot to be gained by watching the interaction of two animals that live together year round. THAT is the benefit. besides that, if you have a display cage going, there's nothing more impressive that TWO or THREE carpets hanging out together.

obviously you have to make accomodations, nobody is disputing that... all we're saying is that you CAN keep a pair or trio together with no problems, and obvious benefits.

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who are you to tell me I DON'T know anything? lol

in the wild two snakes will not be seen in close proximity to each other unless they're breeding. It's our job to attempt to recreate a natural setting for them. plain and simple.