Misrepresenting animals

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Sorry I have a hard time understanding where he is coming from, if a picture does not look like the best picture in the world, before falsie accusing someone of misrepresenting an animal on a open forum, the person should contact the breeder and do a little research.

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It's easy to see where the op is coming from. They stated that the photo has a tad bit much of yellow in it. You can see this by the amount of yellow overtones in the shadow itself.

If the animal was that yellow the shadow wouldn't be as well in the picture. I have nothing agaisnt the breeder or anyone for that matter. Just stating that the picture does have an over exposure of yellow in it.

*edited what i wrote because I got distracted here and made a mumble mouth fool of myself.. lolol

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Originally Posted by yeahyeah

I am sick of seeing people misrepresenting their animals and selling them to people. Photos of snakes that you just know are not what they look like in real life. Here's an excellent example. Came across this on KS today.

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=644345

Then check out his website

http://www.benrenick.com/pastel_bp.html
http://www.benrenick.com/fire_bp.html

It's just ridiculous. There's no way they look like that. I just feel sorry for the poor sap who buys it expecting it to look like that.

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I have a feeling that animal looks a lot better in person... the photo isn't the best and it looks like they were using a a regular light bulb for lighting, which is why everything looks so yellow. Ben's not trying to make you think the snake is yellow like that... he just needs some photography lessons... :P

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Originally Posted by FIREball

Oh no he didnt :O

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I think he just did:colbert:

HAHAHA This gave me a good laugh!:D

Its ok Yeahyeah If I hadn't have been looking for a good fire for like 3 months I would have thought the same thing! All of us make mistakes! Don't sweat it!:D

If you ever have any doubt to whether pictures have been doctored or not, just ask politely. You don't need to use the term "doctored", you could say edited or enhanced or corrected. Any reputable breeder will be polite and honest back, and if they take offense just say their animals looked so beautiful and vibrant you couldn't believe they were real. If they're still offended then maybe it's not someone you want to deal with. Most people should understand you're just doing your homework and making sure you don't get scammed. Many times you are paying for color and doctored pictures are a major offense IMO.

The yellows seem a little oversaturated to me, but that could be caused by many things besides image editing software. Lighting, camera exposure and color settings, monitor color settings all could have an effect. I don't think anyone has enough evidence to prove either way. That includes the people saying definitively that they are not doctored.

I was not saying he was not a stand up guy. I was not saying that the animals aren't amazing and probably look sick in person. I was saying that I seriously doubt those snakes look like that. Granted, it's virtually impossible to photograph a snake with realistic colors. However, those pictures look as if they were enhanced in order to make the animal look "better" as opposed to trying to accurately portray the animal. Click on the link to his website for the fires and look at the pictures. I don't believe it. Look at the picture in the upper left hand corner. That looks like it would probably be a much more accurate picture of one of his fires. If I had stole pictures from his site and then posted them on here, without saying where they were from, I think some people would be agreeing with me. Once again, I am not saying that he doesn't have amazing animals, is not a stand up guy, isn't a great guy to buy from, etc. etc. I just have beef with those pictures.

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Originally Posted by simplechamp

Lighting, camera exposure and color settings, monitor color settings all could have an effect.

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I think it's a mistake to ever expect the colors to be exactly the same as the animal in a picture. Unless the photographer is good, and both the seller's and buyer's monitors are professionally calibrated, colors will never be exactly right.

The only time I've felt snakes were misrepresented was when a group of five I bought from a small breeder weighed 1500g less than advertised total.

And I would like to apologize for starting this thread. I did not mean any harm to the aforementioned breeder. I thought about copying the pictures and then posting them here just to avoid that problem but decided to go about it the legal way. On second thought, the illegal way would have been much better.

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Originally Posted by yeahyeah

I was not saying he was not a stand up guy. I was not saying that the animals aren't amazing and probably look sick in person. I was saying that I seriously doubt those snakes look like that. Granted, it's virtually impossible to photograph a snake with realistic colors. However, those pictures look as if they were enhanced in order to make the animal look "better" as opposed to trying to accurately portray the animal. Click on the link to his website for the fires and look at the pictures. I don't believe it. Look at the picture in the upper left hand corner. That looks like it would probably be a much more accurate picture of one of his fires. If I had stole pictures from his site and then posted them on here, without saying where they were from, I think some people would be agreeing with me. Once again, I am not saying that he doesn't have amazing animals, is not a stand up guy, isn't a great guy to buy from, etc. etc. I just have beef with those pictures.

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OK, that is a picture of a fire so what? So are the rest of the pictures he has on there. As has already been stated over and over it's just a matter of poor lighting and a picture that might need a little color correction. I don't understand why you feel the need to turn something like that into a damn inquisition. Any breeder worth dealing with would gladly take another picture for someone interested in their animals if they were asked. It's not false advertising, he's not presenting the animal as something it is not, it's just a poor picture!