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Originally Posted by xanaxez

here you go colin. read this.

Genetics
For simplicity's sake, consider the Tiger a co-dominant mutation. However, the striping is extremely variable much like the saddles on the Jaguar carpet are variable. The main reason the stripe varies on Tiger offspring is because it can be influenced by the non-tiger parent. Some hobbyists automatically assume that every snake carrying the Tiger gene must have a perfect dorsal stripe, but this is not the case. Sometimes the pattern of the non-Tiger parent works against the striping in Tiger offspring, similar to the way we see an occasional banded Jaguar. However, when two animals carrying the gene are bred together, I believe a number of visibly striped Tigers will be produced.

I believe that breeding Tiger to Tiger produces offspring with increased or more complete striping. My 2002 male Tiger was produced by breeding a male Tiger to a female Tiger. His dorsal stripe is broken in places, but the striping is generally very uniform, even along the sides. In the future, we may hear hobbyists start referring to these animals as "Super Tigers".

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This is directly from Caponetto's website - no?

xanaxez I think you should slow you roll a little bit as Colin has a firm grasp on what he is talking about, and as for Will Bird you can count me as another one who thinks he uses "creative marketing" which is the nice word I like to use for it.

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Originally Posted by xanaxez

yes your opinion is that of your own so we can desmiss this. but if you would like further information go to nick mutton and will leary also. they have been trying to explain this same thing to people that think tigers are only stripped for years. thats 6 very highly reputable breeders that has tried to make this clear and yet still we have people with little knowledge claiming else wise. but this post will end now because you have your own beliefs even though some of the biggest and well known dealers/breeders says else wise.

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Here since you are found of quoting other people this is one of the things I think is relevant here. I hope Nick is ok with me posting this and maybe he can post his 2 cents as I know he pops in from time to time.

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Tigers froma tigerXnormal breedings are only heterozygous, as they can only recieve one copy of the tiger gene. the outcome of breeding tigers to tigers will depend on if the parent tigers are heterozygous or homozygous tigers and at the moment the variablility of the gene in its heterozygous state can make it difficult to determine.

Nick

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As another carpet breeder, I will back Colin and Chuck on the use of "creative marketing" terms. Myself, and both of these guys, have been around long enough to see the misuse of marketing terms like this. For example, hypo and red hypo jags. Alot of people spent good money on these to find that they were nothing special.

As far as the tiger goes, there mode of inheritance is still yet to be determined. Coastals are variable by nature and there are several striped lines out there. I for one, produce one of those lines. My coastals have a lot of the same qualities that tigers have but they are not tigers.
Tiger inheritance is still only educated guesses at this moment.

find his line of thinking almost as advanced as a third grader. He believes that the High Contrast Queensland Tiger is a legit
morph. The HCQ Tiger Morph is the result of pairing a Tiger to a nice colored Queensland Carpet. The resulting offspring were coined HCQ
Tigers. They were called this so that people would know what bloodline they came from.

The reason I am calling my other animals Citrus Tigers is so that people will know that they are not HCQ Tigers because they are not. I used a female that was not from this bloodline and to call the babies
HCQ Tigers would be mis-leading to people. People need to know that these are different and are the result of breeding an HCQ Tiger to MY
kick-ass orange carpet. This process is called selective breeding. I am breeding Tigers so that they will become more orange.

And so I ask, if it is alright in this guys mind for Dave Prada and Anthony Caponetto to name their morphs, why is not alright for me
to do the same thing? My actions have been no different than theirs
period.

Also, Tiger carpet genetics is still very misunderstood by lots of people out there. I think Will Leary's success with producing Super Tigers the last two seasons has really shed some light on this
subject. Nick Mutton has explained this stuff to people for years now and yet these [dummies] seem unable to comprehend what they read on these forums. The reason I say this is because of his
erroneous claim that all tigers are striped head to tail. Even some Super Tigers have breaks. Period. Will Bird

maybe this will shed some light on the subject or better help you guys to understand.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

This is directly from Caponetto's website - no?

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yes, its from anthonys site.

Well, since we are into posting emails, why don't you post the whole thing? Yours included.

look, xanaxez, you need to chill out a bit... maybe take a Xanax? :) i dont have a problem with will bird... i really dont. he seems like a nice enough guy and has some nice carpets.
i honestly think this 'discussion' is going nowhere... only bad things will come of going on and on about this. your opinion won't change, my opinion won't change, and everyone else is just going to get the same conflicting information so how about everyone just agrees to disagree?

You have got to be kidding me, I am not going to get talked down to about tiger co-dom genetics by a guy who does not understand the difference between a co-dom super form and a simple recessive genetics.

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if you think about it then that would mean what you guys call an albino carpet which is white and yellow would be in correct. a real albino would be pure white not cross faded colors if we wanted to get technical on it.

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The reason I am calling my other animals Citrus Tigers is so that people will know that they are not HCQ Tigers because they are not. I used a female that was not from this bloodline and to call the babies
HCQ Tigers would be mis-leading to people. People need to know that these are different and are the result of breeding an HCQ Tiger to MY
kick-ass orange carpet. This process is called selective breeding. I am breeding Tigers so that they will become more orange.

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Look all we are saying is its all bullhooey, HCQ is nothing more than a nice looking normal coastal, So call it what ever you want but at the end of the day its a coastal. Same goes for what ever creative marketing you want to do.

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Also, Tiger carpet genetics is still very misunderstood by lots of people out there. I think Will Leary's success with producing Super Tigers the last two seasons has really shed some light on this
subject. Nick Mutton has explained this stuff to people for years now and yet these [dummies] seem unable to comprehend what they read on these forums. The reason I say this is because of his
erroneous claim that all tigers are striped head to tail. Even some Super Tigers have breaks. Period. Will Bird

maybe this will shed some light on the subject or better help you guys to understand.

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I want you to tell me how tiger genetics works since we don't seem to understand. I am calling you out smart guy why don't you edcuate us on the progress of will leary. So settle it once and for all just tell us how tiger genetics works and we can all be silenced like the dumb guys we are.

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Originally Posted by Chuck

Look all we are saying is its all bullhooey, HCQ is nothing more than a nice looking normal coastal, So call it what ever you want but at the end of the day its a coastal.

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Chuck, and everyone else interested:

HCQ was a term used to describe the line of carpet Dave Prada was working with. Since he had no idea if the line was pure coastal or a jungle x coastal cross, he coined the term HCQ. It was more of a descriptive term to describe the snakes appearance. The HCQ are simply a nice looking carpet python.

(Chuck, I am sure you already knew this and you were just lost in the heat of the moment.)