"Trace patterns" & "Morph sibling" advertisements

Its funny how people might stray away from ads with very little information about the animals in the ad, but then go ahead and take offense when the seller lists details on the lineage of the animal, as if they are trying to swindle extra dollars from the buyer.

Sellers really can't win....

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Originally Posted by RoyalGuardian

Is a spider sib just a plain old normal? Heck no! They are really cool if they have some nifty markings!

This is my Spider sibling girl Calypso!!

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I find most siblings are much more interesting than actual normals but then again I think that I have the most beautiful spider sibling around >_<

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Well the way I always figured it was more of a statement of quality breeding and care. Any decent, well respected breeder will use the highest quality normals available. Plus any codom morph's normal allele is probably high quality from the reason stated previously. So in essence the good looks of your spider sibling are a result of two good looking normals bred together. That is assuming the spider gene doesn't somehow jump allele's and mutate the normal gene its paired with. Thats my theory!!! Any rebuttals?

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Originally Posted by bc30629

Well the way I always figured it was more of a statement of quality breeding and care. Any decent, well respected breeder will use the highest quality normals available. Plus any codom morph's normal allele is probably high quality from the reason stated previously. So in essence the good looks of your spider sibling are a result of two good looking normals bred together. That is assuming the spider gene doesn't somehow jump allele's and mutate the normal gene its paired with. Thats my theory!!! Any rebuttals?

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Just clarifying for myself and others.... so if breeding for good looking spiders someone would typically use a low patterned normal female in hopes of getting low patterned spiders. Then the spider breeder has a spider gene and a low pattern normal gene. When bred with another low pattern female the results would be probably some low patterned spiders but also some low patterned normals. Hence, patterning of sibs have more to do with selective normal breeding in past generations than any effect a morph parent would have on a normal sibling.

Sorry for the long winded response :)

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

Its funny how people might stray away from ads with very little information about the animals in the ad, but then go ahead and take offense when the seller lists details on the lineage of the animal, as if they are trying to swindle extra dollars from the buyer.

Sellers really can't win....

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very true but i think that many times the seller may use the term "morph sibling" in an attempt to make the "genetically normal" snake seem more appealing to new or first time buyers.

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

Its funny how people might stray away from ads with very little information about the animals in the ad, but then go ahead and take offense when the seller lists details on the lineage of the animal, as if they are trying to swindle extra dollars from the buyer.

Sellers really can't win....

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The seller could just as well be trying to squeeze a few extra dollars as they could be trying to provide lineage details. Even so, I said in my OP that I think it's fine to post "morph sibling" if it's true. Personally, I wouldn't care as long at it's a quality CB animal. If you know the animal is quality CB what is the advantage of knowing it's a morph sibling?

As stated above, morph sibling is a way of saying it's a better breeding than just whatever normals you have thrown together. More quality breeders are breeding morphs. Therefor someone who was breeding for a morph should have taken more time to pick out the normals used, and therefor the hatchlings should have nicer genetics from the nicer normals.
Is it always true? Not at all. Just like advertising "one owner" when you sell a car might mean that the car is trashed out completely. Is that true? Or is it indicative to most people that the car is in good shape because it has not been passed from owner to owner? It's truth and it does give a certain polish to the item, to say "One owner" or "morph sibling".
If you fail to do any research and buy a sibling thinking it's got certain genetics that it patently does not, is that the seller's fault or the buyer's fault? By that reasoning, you should not ever say "blushing" or "low pattern" as that could be construed as a genetic trait as well. There comes a point that the buyer is supposed to be responsible for what they put money out for.

I'll weight in on this discussion.;)

In my opinion, most buyers (that I deal with) want to know details like this. They want to know the linage, birth date and parents.:rolleye2:

To cut down on questions, I have begun to try and put everything that I think an interested buyer would want to know about the animal on sale (so I was and am considering putting in the clutch information)

From my breeding experience..morph siblings do tend to be more "eye-catching" than normal Normals. I do believe that the morph gene does have some impact on their coloration and patterning and while some may not think they are worth any more than a normal Normal, there are some that are willing to pay a bit extra for a very pretty pet or a very pretty patterned female morph sibling.

We already know that the patterns do carry weight on further breeding attempts, and that very unusual colors and patterns in Normals does make them more "special" than the regular Normal (Normals are not created equal).

So as long as the ad is honest, breeders/sellers are free to put whatever they want in their ads.:)

TheVipersHouse has the most beautiful Siblings I have ever seen! He is Kind and he is fair with his pricing. I love My sibling and I praise Vipers every chance I get.

Just so you know, I have given away PH Axanthic males, that are really banded, and stunning, nice Pastel siblings, Sulfur siblings, Mojave siblings, Spider siblings, and many other Co Dom Siblings, and PH's that have decent patterns, in trade for rat credit:)

Some people are just better at marketing normals than others, some like to tell it like it is, some like to exaggerate....

Dave

Claiming a hatchling as a co-dom sibling--fine. Claiming it has 'trace patterns' from a morph parent? That's a swindle. It may have patterns similar to its morph parent, but only the ones that aren't related directly to the mutation!