Is there a Morph you will never own/breed due to genetics?

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

I thoughtfully disagree. My spiders do not show signs of wobbles. I personally think spiders are great. They are my best eaters and breeders. My male even gave me twins. Can't beat that...

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first off im not trying be criticize you for owning a spider. i just wouldnt want one.

a spider with the wobbles most of the time eats fine and a wobble doesnt mean that the snake is upside down and all around all the time. it could just be a slight tick that you dont notice unless you snake is completely still. A lot of accounts also dont show signs up until the snake is older. either way the snake is prob messed up in the head and i cant see how the spider mixes got so big when it was apparent a good portion of the off spring were having these problems. Im not try to be rude here but there is a chance that one day you will go in and your snake will be wobbling. :(

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Originally Posted by andwhy6

first off im not trying be criticize you for owning a spider. i just wouldnt want one.

a spider with the wobbles most of the time eats fine and a wobble doesnt mean that the snake is upside down and all around all the time. it could just be a slight tick that you dont notice unless you snake is completely still. A lot of accounts also dont show signs up until the snake is older. either way the snake is prob messed up in the head and i cant see how the spider mixes got so big when it was apparent a good portion of the off spring were having these problems. Im not try to be rude here but there is a chance that one day you will go in and your snake will be wobbling. :(

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I have to say even with this defect the spider is arguable the king of combos. I have one and she's got the special behavior but you know what I'd buy her again any day.:gj: I love spiders

i had the Pleasure of picking up this beauty
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...C00689-1-1.jpg
and even though its so tiny he has a small kink on his tail near the tip i love him but after much talking with one of the smartest ladies on this site i'm gonna keep him around and name him D.O.G. lol and call him a pet its just not worth the risk as i cant say im gonna like "culling" any animal

the good ol Derma Ball...wat ever happened to that thing??

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Originally Posted by chetman7

the good ol Derma Ball...wat ever happened to that thing??

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If I remember correctly it bred but did not produce anything like itself. I cant see why you'd want to breed those... It didnt have heat pits, and any reptile that should have scales, that doesnt, just isnt right and is cruel to try to breed the trait on.

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

If I remember correctly it bred but did not produce anything like itself. I cant see why you'd want to breed those... It didnt have heat pits, and any reptile that should have scales, that doesnt, just isnt right and is cruel to try to breed the trait on.

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yea. I agree. I can't believe they even tried to duplicate it. That is prob one "morph" if it is even considered one that we can all agree of never owning or breed

The Derma -- yeah that one has no place in my collection -- wonder if it's still alive even.

Other than that there are some that I'd like to have but would prefer just buying a nice healthy example of the morph -- In a perfect world I'd like to say I wouldn't breed them and that they'd only be pets but I'm not going to blow smoke up anyones back side.

Deformities and kinks happen not just in the morphs - it's part of the game - you take your chances no matter what morph (or even normals) you are playing with.

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Originally Posted by royal morphz

i had the Pleasure of picking up this beauty
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...C00689-1-1.jpg
and even though its so tiny he has a small kink on his tail near the tip i love him but after much talking with one of the smartest ladies on this site i'm gonna keep him around and name him D.O.G. lol and call him a pet its just not worth the risk as i cant say im gonna like "culling" any animal

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I respect you for making this decision. If I were in your shoes, I would make the same decision. I would never breed kinked caramels, or breed spiders that wobble. In my opinion it is irresponsible. If the parents have deformities then the offspring would more than likely have deformities too. Why would anyone want to create offspring with deformities?

On the other hand, I would and will work with caramels one day. I will just make sure that the line that I work with does not have kinks.

I don't think we have the research in place to say that all spiders do wobble or that there exist some which do not, although we can say that the severity of these cases varies greatly from "non functional" to "barely noticeable", which is interesting.

Since the spider morph does not have a visible super form, it could be that the severe wobblers are homozygous for spider (or maybe homozygous spider genotypes are lethal and the eggs are reabsorbed so you'd never even know), and perhaps the spider and wobble genes are closely linked (at two loci that are physically near to eachother on a given chromosome). It'd be interesting to collect data from the large scale breeders to try and figure out what's going on with these morphs that seem to associate themselves with deformities (and perhaps figure out how to avoid them).

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Originally Posted by andwhy6

Im not try to be rude here but there is a chance that one day you will go in and your snake will be wobbling. :(

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I am going to have to disagree with you again. I do not believe that my spiders will have wobbles. I believe that the line that I bought into is a clean line. I will breed my line, and if one day my spiders start wobbling, then I will stop breeding them.