is there a lethal gene?

Yes, I took WingedWolfPsion to mean homozygous spider or homozygous pinstripe, not the spider and pinstripe combo, but I see how it could be taken that way.

The latest info tends to eliminate pinstripe and spotnose as lethal but it should probably be considered a possibility for any new mutation until proven otherwise. Hard to say for sure on the spider and woma. Maybe the homozygous spiders never hatch or perhaps could never even get shelled/laid (not sure enough of the reproductive cycle to know if that is possible) and maybe one will yet be produced and proven out at long last. There have been a few rumors of hope for pearls but I haven't heard of any for sure adults.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Ok I'm lost Randy didn't say that. WingedWolfPsion said that and to my knowledge when Spiders and Pins are paired with each other you have a 1:4 shot at producing a combo called a Spinner or are you saying that the non-combo offspring die. If so that's also not true to my knowledge.

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I think I got lost there for a second and thought you were quoting from Randys post. Your right spider by pin makes spinners, pins, spiders, and normals. The potential lethal breeding would be spider x spider or pin x pin in Wolfs example.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

That I know of its just the Pearl aka super woma

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That is the one I was thinking of. Don't know how spotnose popped in there...:confused:

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Originally Posted by karbogast

I think I got lost there for a second and thought you were quoting from Randys post. Your right spider by pin makes spinners, pins, spiders, and normals. The potential lethal breeding would be spider x spider or pin x pin in Wolfs example.

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It's almost certain that Spider and Pinstripe genes are lethal when paired.

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Donna,

This is the first I've ever heard that it is almost certain that they are lethal. In fact, Brian at BHB may have a super pin (not visibly different, but threw all pins this year, no normals). Where did you find the data that they are "almost certain" lethal when paired together? :confused:

The only lethal gene that I have heard confirmed is the pearl (super woma).

There's a spider that breed to normal and produce all spider. One of the big breeder told my friend that, so I guess there's such a thing as a super spider...unless he(the breeder) got lucky 3 years in a row. :D

Don't know about pin though.

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Originally Posted by hgrub

There's a spider that breed to normal and produce all spider. One of the big breeder told my friend that, so I guess there's such a thing as a super spider...unless he(the breeder) got lucky 3 years in a row. :D

Don't know about pin though.

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That is the problem, it is always info that comes from the friend of a freind of a freind of a "big breeder". Until I hear it from the big breeder him/her-self I will continue to take these claims with a huge grain of salt!

Since the spider and caramel problems finally became more public a couple years ago, and the efforts to cover up the issues were disscussed, I have a level of trust in the "biggies" that is on par with my trust that the government will be frugal with my tax dollars.:taz:

fair enough man, I would think the same too if someone say that.

Regarding the lethal gene, I heard the super lesser got it too. Some of them just drop dead for no reason. Can anyone tell me is it true?

So if someone actually produced one, how much would it be worth? O.O
im guessing that would be one lucky person!! lol

and is there such a thing as an all black ball python?