Question on Pewters

Pewter Bee has been done. I think there were several hatched this season.....but I can't remember who hatched them.

Here is my Pewter female at 1000 grams.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...ns/pewter1.jpg

Although she has become a little darker since breeding, she is still lighter than most Black Pewters I've seen.

Here is her recent clutch that hatched. They are some of the nicest Pewters I've seen, and I think it has to do with the female's degree of darkness as well. 3 Pewters, 1 Pastel, and 1 normal.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF8259.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF8248.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF8257.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF8247.jpg

These have so much potential. All sibs are 100% het for pied. Imagine a Sterling Pied! Everyone needs a Pewter.....or 10.

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Originally Posted by the odds god

Albey, why the need to knock down Black Pastels everytime the subject comes up? No doubt, Cinnamon make awesome combos as clearly demonstrated with your animals.

Black Pastels are gaining in popularity and there many different strains out there, some resembling Cinnamons more then others.

Black Pastel make equaly interesting combos;



As for the nose issue, it does not prevent them from thriving, does it? Should they've culled the first English Bulldogs because of their nose issue?

Why the need to knock down other projects people work with? I sure hope not for the benefit of your own Cinnamon projects!

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I am not actually putting them down jut promoting what I like better. You are right though; it is time for me to give it a rest. I do have some good reasons for doing it though. The reason I got into the Cinnamons in the first place was because I saw the first Pewter that Graziani produced at the National Reptile Breeders Expo that year. I was knocked out by it. I purchased a Cinnamon from him about a month later. Than I started seeing different breeders on the Forums saying thing like “Yea Cinnamons are nice looking but the Black Pastel’s make better Pewters” and such. I just didn’t see it and I never would have gotten into them if Black Pastels were the only choice. When I produced my first Pewters I made a point of posting picture of it and making sure people knew it was produced with a Cinnamon. Then another thing happened that knocked Cinnamons down a notch. Marc Mandic thought he had produced a Cinnamon version of the Silver Streak that was nowhere near as nice as the Black Pastel version. It ended up he was wrong about it when he produced a real one later on that same year but the damage had been done. I have been spreading the gospel about Cinnamons with my Pewters, Sterling Pastels, and my Silver Bullet ever since. It is funny that you say “Black Pastels are gaining in popularity” when I have always felt that it was the other way around that the Cinnamons are finally starting to gain in popularity. LOL

As far as the nose thing goes, I have seen Super Black Pastels that didn’t have it either so it probably isn’t going to be an issue for either of them soon.

By the way, those are some killer combos that you posted. I sure wish I had those. :gj:

I personally love them both, I just happen to have three black pastels. I like how it mixes with the lesser so that is what I am shooting for( and super blacks) But ive seen super ugly blacks, and super ugly cinnys. You should not judge the snakes by a few examples you see every now and then, because both have their highs and lows. If you get one just find that most appealing one to you!

From what I have learned the snout problem comes from inbreeding the same line when making a super cinny(wether it be black pastel or cinny).
I think making pewters first would help, if it is fact from inbreeding, because of the addition of pastel genetics.

I myself own cinny and black pastels because I feel the are both great animals with each their own qualities. I plan on making pewters with both and supers from the combos in order to aviod any snout/inbreeding problems.

I think it is personel preferance.

Great pics guys thanks for sharing:gj:

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Originally Posted by Albey

I am not actually putting them down jut promoting what I like better. You are right though; it is time for me to give it a rest.

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NO! lol C'mon man you're a champion of a morph that you really like! I wouldn't even be thinking about pewters except that I saw the ones you posted that are absolutely beautiful! I think it's important that people be passionate about the snakes and colors and morphs that they own and you show that! Who cares if some people think you're putting down "their morphs" it's all give and take, some might look better to some people and some look better to other people! Otherwise we'd all have either normals or pastels and no one would ever have bothered to look for anything else. So in short I hope you keep on fighting for the cinnamon lol you make beautiful animals and I cannot stop looking at your pictures.

BTW the black pastel pictures are awesome too but it's just not really the look I want in my collection. I'm not saying anything against them they're just not for me! I'm going Cinny lol