Butter Het Cajun -- at 4 months

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Originally Posted by Bill Buchman

"Cajun Mommy" on eggs. She is captive hatched and laid 8 eggs that hatched on 4-5-08 -- 2.3 Butter Hets and 1.2 Hets. The entire clutch weighs between 350 -500 grams. You won't be seeing these in the classifieds anytime soon.

Like any of the snakes I have proven, I plan on working with them to find out what they do in combos and whether there is a Super -- if the project is codom. If the project is worthwhile, I believe that any time and energy spent on that project works out well in the long run.

The plan with these is breed the boys back to mom next season as well as a Pastel, a Het Ivory, maybe a Mojave. :) You never REALLY know until you breed them --sometimes more than once -- over 2-3 years -- that is the fun part I think.;)

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...0097_thumb.jpg

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Congrats!! They look great.

So I just want to clarify. Het Cajun is another form of a het Red Axanthic; therefore, a codom? But since it is captive hatched, it is not the same exact line as a het red. When you breed two together you should get a Cajun / Red Axanthic (super form)?

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

...you can't blaim the 'doubters' here when you dont clairfy all of this in your FIRST post...;)

...when you post an animal and label it 'het for cajun' ...those (including myself) whom arent familiar with this trait will search for it, and when we dont find any visuals of 2nd generation or later cajuns...things start to smell fishy....

...so with an animal and clutch like this, I would better explain the history of the animals as Josh (jnj) did for ya...or else you will get us 'doubters' ;):gj:

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Fair point Joshua.:) I did post a thread on May 22nd with info on mom and clutch. A search of Cajun and Butter brought it up. Given that this animal does not have an established history I SHOULD have given another/more complete back-story of the breeding -- my bad. Won't make that mistake again.;)

The butters are pretty, no doubt, but I'm having a hard time seeing something in them that has been passed from the mother. They just look like really hot butters... And now that the whole het red thing has been brought into it... I'm so confused.. Are these butter het reds... What are these??? I could not be more confused honestly. And with each post it seems like it gets more complicated. I don't wanna bug you but you can lay it out. Like where does the het red come into this?

Oh so now you're saying these might be a new line of het reds? Is that what it is?

if they are in the same gene as het reds i love how they make the butters have a black back and the blushing comes through!!!!!!!!!!!

congratz man and good looking combo

I've seen plain ol butters ....... and yours are not plain! Good luck with that project ......... sounds interesting and fun all in one!




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Originally Posted by Bill Buchman

Every base morph -- Pastels, Lessers, Albino's, Caramels, Ghosts, etc. originally came from either a wild caught import or a captive hatched animal(born in captivity from an imported/wild animal) that proved genetic(reproduces themseves). These animals need to be named to differentiate them from other snakes. Ball pythons have around 75 proven base morphs(don't hold me to that number:confused:). This number grows every year as new morphs are proven. Hope this helps explain the "name game".:)

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this did help, and it didn't. I understand how morphs came about...
what I was asking for, was a descrition on what visual traits this
particular animal had that would be considered
'Cajun'. But, i *think* some other posts have kind of
explained... like something about the het reds...
I'm still confused, but it's getting clearer. :)

Very nice snakes. I am willing to bet, you will prove out a super . But I believe your Cajuns are more like BHB's "Lori Balls" than the het reds.

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Originally Posted by Thomas Jones

Very nice snakes. I am willing to bet, you will prove out a super . But I believe your Cajuns are more like BHB's "Lori Balls" than the het reds.

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I believe the Lori ball is another form of a het red. Sort of like a butter and a lesser. From what I beleive is being stated, the het Cajun is another form of both the het red and the Lori ball. Please correct me if I am wrong. If this is the case, then if he breeds two het Cajuns together he should create a Cajun (super form). Hope this helps.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

I believe the Lori ball is another form of a het red. Sort of like a butter and a lesser. From what I beleive is being stated, the het Cajun is another form of both the het red and the Lori ball. Please correct me if I am wrong. If this is the case, then if he breeds two het Cajuns together he should create a Cajun (super form). Hope this helps.

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Yes, a Super should be the possible outcome as well as a Cajan Butter. I am lucky in that I have 2 Butter Het Cajuns to breed next season. They whole clutch are FANTASTIC feeders and have great temperments(really mellow) -- as do both parents -- don't know whether that is inheritable????

I am guessing what most of you are --that the Cajun's are in the Het Red Axanthic/Lori family somewhere. I think all 3 animals will produce slightly different Super in both pattern and color. Mommy Cajun has all her weight back and then some.:D She was 1700 when she laid her clutch in April and should be over 2500 by November -- can't wait!!!

Good luck with the super Bill. I bet it's going to be smoking!!! I can't wait to see it.

Alan