Is this snake a blackback?

Yes, I think it is a black back. 28 41.79%
No, I do not think it is a black back. 39 58.21%


I think this thread is most interesting. It demonstrates one of the only things I dislike about ball-pythons.net Please let me explain.

The poll results at this point shows that the clear majority says that the snake in the pic should not be considered a black back. (as of this post, 28 say it is a blackback, 39 say it is not.) Obviously most people vote prior to reading the thread.

Well, once you read the thread, you see that most everyone says that it is a blackback. The complete opposite of the initial poll results.

Why is this? I will be happy to tell you. It is because there are ball python.net "favorites" on here, that everyone is afraid to agrue with, in fear of being "pounced" on by everyone else. It is a shame that this happens, becuase it takes away from the forum. NEWS FLASH!!! Sometimes the people we love on this forum are WRONG. I guess it is human nature to be afraid to step up and say what you really feel in a situation like this.

This snake should not be described as, or considered a black back. It is a beautiful normal. IMHO, only If you cut off the top third, bottom third, and eliminated the blushing on the little piece you have left, should it be described as or considered a black back.

Like I said in another post recently, don't get me wrong. I really like ralph Davis, and I even own one of his spiders. I plan to buy from him again in the future.

That said, just because he says something does not make it a fact. If he called this snake a black back, he was trying realy hard to make a sale.

Mike

"I think it is funny how some of you follow so much in other peoples footsteps, that you sometimes don't even look up to see for yourselves...."

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Originally Posted by mcavana

Yes, I think it is a black back. 28 41.79%
No, I do not think it is a black back. 39 58.21%


I think this thread is most interesting. It demonstrates one of the only things I dislike about ball-pythons.net Please let me explain.

The poll results at this point shows that the clear majority says that the snake in the pic should not be considered a black back. (as of this post, 28 say it is a blackback, 39 say it is not.) Obviously most people vote prior to reading the thread.

Well, once you read the thread, you see that most everyone says that it is a blackback. The complete opposite of the initial poll results.

Why is this? I will be happy to tell you. It is because there are ball python.net "favorites" on here, that everyone is afraid to agrue with, in fear of being "pounced" on by everyone else. It is a shame that this happens, becuase it takes away from the forum. NEWS FLASH!!! Sometimes the people we love on this forum are WRONG. I guess it is human nature to be afraid to step up and say what you really feel in a situation like this.

This snake should not be described as, or considered a black back. It is a beautiful normal. IMHO, only If you cut off the top third, bottom third, and eliminated the blushing on the little piece you have left, should it be described as or considered a black back.

Like I said in another post recently, don't get me wrong. I really like ralph Davis, and I even own one of his spiders. I plan to buy from him again in the future.

That said, just because he says something does not make it a fact. If he called this snake a black back, he was trying realy hard to make a sale.

Mike

"I think it is funny how some of you follow so much in other peoples footsteps, that you sometimes don't even look up to see for yourselves...."

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Do you even have a clue what you are talking about? 39 people said no, Because they are like you. Havent got a CLUE!

The first reply is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Someone was strong enough to stand up and state what they realy thought... but look at how they had to word it.

"I am not going to try to tick anyone off, but what makes a black-back? I think a "true" black back has NO dorsal pattern. This snake has a striped tail, and the first half of it's body looks normal. I would say that MAYBE a 1/3 of this snake is 'black back'

Help me out, what is a black back then? I mean yes....a black back...but if this snake pictured above is considered a black back...then most of animals are black-backs! As far as I see it, the snake above is just a normal with an aberrant pattern.

..again, I am not trying to tick anyone off....I just see this being a black back ball a stretch...maybe someone can help me out as to what constitutes a black back?"

Why did they feel the need to appoligize multiple times for stating an opinion?

This is exactly what I am talking about.

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Do you even have a clue what you are talking about? 39 people said no, Because they are like you. Havent got a CLUE!

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I don't know it all my friend. But I do know that YOU are a follower. look up yourself sometimes.

Mike

"I think it is funny how some of you follow so much in other peoples footsteps, that you sometimes don't even look up to see for yourselves...."

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Originally Posted by mcavana

I don't know it all my friend. But I do know that YOU are a follower. look up yourself sometimes.

Mike

"I think it is funny how some of you follow so much in other peoples footsteps, that you sometimes don't even look up to see for yourselves...."

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I follow Myself! Thats is it..

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Originally Posted by mcavana

Yes, I think it is a black back. 28 41.79%
No, I do not think it is a black back. 39 58.21%


I think this thread is most interesting. It demonstrates one of the only things I dislike about ball-pythons.net Please let me explain.

The poll results at this point shows that the clear majority says that the snake in the pic should not be considered a black back. (as of this post, 28 say it is a blackback, 39 say it is not.) Obviously most people vote prior to reading the thread.

Well, once you read the thread, you see that most everyone says that it is a blackback. The complete opposite of the initial poll results.

Why is this? I will be happy to tell you. It is because there are ball python.net "favorites" on here, that everyone is afraid to agrue with, in fear of being "pounced" on by everyone else. It is a shame that this happens, becuase it takes away from the forum. NEWS FLASH!!! Sometimes the people we love on this forum are WRONG. I guess it is human nature to be afraid to step up and say what you really feel in a situation like this.

This snake should not be described as, or considered a black back. It is a beautiful normal. IMHO, only If you cut off the top third, bottom third, and eliminated the blushing on the little piece you have left, should it be described as or considered a black back.

Like I said in another post recently, don't get me wrong. I really like ralph Davis, and I even own one of his spiders. I plan to buy from him again in the future.

That said, just because he says something does not make it a fact. If he called this snake a black back, he was trying realy hard to make a sale.

Mike

"I think it is funny how some of you follow so much in other peoples footsteps, that you sometimes don't even look up to see for yourselves...."

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Wow, If it so horrible here why do you participate? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You seem to be the only one who is getting upset?

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

Wow, If it so horrible here why do you participate? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You seem to be the only one who is getting upset?

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When did I say that "it is so horrible here?" What makes you think that I am getting upset??? Please be specific in your answer.

I love this site, and the people that participate in it. The fact that I log in every chance I get shows that pretty well.

I am stating an opinion that goes against the people that post all day long. That is all. Of course your first response to that is that I should no longer participate in the forum. Thanks.

Ah, the pouncing I mentioned before has begun.

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Originally Posted by mcavana

Yes, I think it is a black back. 28 41.79%
No, I do not think it is a black back. 39 58.21%


I think this thread is most interesting. It demonstrates one of the only things I dislike about ball-pythons.net Please let me explain.

The poll results at this point shows that the clear majority says that the snake in the pic should not be considered a black back. (as of this post, 28 say it is a blackback, 39 say it is not.) Obviously most people vote prior to reading the thread.

Well, once you read the thread, you see that most everyone says that it is a blackback. The complete opposite of the initial poll results.

Why is this? I will be happy to tell you. It is because there are ball python.net "favorites" on here, that everyone is afraid to agrue with, in fear of being "pounced" on by everyone else. It is a shame that this happens, becuase it takes away from the forum. NEWS FLASH!!! Sometimes the people we love on this forum are WRONG. I guess it is human nature to be afraid to step up and say what you really feel in a situation like this.

This snake should not be described as, or considered a black back. It is a beautiful normal. IMHO, only If you cut off the top third, bottom third, and eliminated the blushing on the little piece you have left, should it be described as or considered a black back.

Like I said in another post recently, don't get me wrong. I really like ralph Davis, and I even own one of his spiders. I plan to buy from him again in the future.

That said, just because he says something does not make it a fact. If he called this snake a black back, he was trying realy hard to make a sale.

Mike

"I think it is funny how some of you follow so much in other peoples footsteps, that you sometimes don't even look up to see for yourselves...."

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Not really, id rather post on why it is a black back than complain why its not. A lot of people who vote do so without even really thinking about it to see what everyone else is saying. If you breed that snake to what ever there is a good chance that the offspring will have somewhat of a black back, even if its not alot.

Mike,

Would you call this a black back?

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...PretJune19.jpg

Just an observation - but it appears that you are determined to be right in this. If even the founders of this hobby call it a black back, why are you calling them wrong? Not just Ralph, but even Kara of NERD stated she would call Randy's snake a black back.

I don't think it's written any where that people must justify their vote. If people want to express their opinion, then they can..if they choose not to, then they can do that as well.

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Originally Posted by mcavana

What makes you think I am upset? Please be specific in your answer.

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Well, you started a thread stating that we're not doing our job.

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I am stating an opinion that goes against the people that post all day long. Of course your first suggestion is that I no longer participate.

Ah, the pouncing I mentioned before has begun.

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You continue to to respond to this thread trying to justify why it is not a black back, and then talk about the people who chose not to respond with justification to their vote... Noone is pouncing on you. Raul is not pouncing on you, I am not pouncing on you, just merely expressing my thoughts..is that not acceptable?