shouldn't there be a governing body

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Originally Posted by Petboy15

Ok. This is my snake for sale that's being mentioned. I would have appreciated to be PM'ed about this thread by whoever had the problem before you started a thread on it.

Anyways, I don't know why you don't consider that animal a black back. I bought it from Ralph Davis back in November. Ralph Davis, one of THE biggest ball python guys out there, wrote black back on it's record card. I did not over emphasize black back (as a matter of fact I only wrote the word black back one time...) because she isn't the most amazing black back, but she certainly is one. I didnt say genetic, but I did say she should have an influence on her offspring patternwise. That is a reasonable claim. If you don't think she is a nice black back, then don't buy her.

As for price, again, that's completely at my discretion as the seller. If you don't agree with the price, that is completely fine. I don't agree with plenty of prices either. Again, just don't buy the snake.


Randy

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Randy - please don't let this thread get to you. You did nothing dishonest in your ad. You even have pictures posted, it's up to the individual buyer to decide if they want to pay your asking price. There was no deception on your part. :hug:

Thanks Connie and Robin...

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Originally Posted by Petboy15

Ok. This is my snake for sale that's being mentioned. I would have appreciated to be PM'ed about this thread by whoever had the problem before you started a thread on it.

Anyways, I don't know why you don't consider that animal a black back. I bought it from Ralph Davis back in November. Ralph Davis, one of THE biggest ball python guys out there, wrote black back on it's record card. I did not over emphasize black back (as a matter of fact I only wrote the word black back one time...) because she isn't the most amazing black back, but she certainly is one. I didnt say genetic, but I did say she should have an influence on her offspring patternwise. That is a reasonable claim. If you don't think she is a nice black back, then don't buy her.

As for price, again, that's completely at my discretion as the seller. If you don't agree with the price, that is completely fine. I don't agree with plenty of prices either. Again, just don't buy the snake.


Randy

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You know i was thinking about this early this morning :O.So i since Ralph considers it a blackback then i agree with him as all ready posted :P.Its your snake to sell so you are asking a fair price for her :gj:

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Originally Posted by mcavana

About that beach front property in MO..... I am willing to sell it to you for only 90% of my asking price!!!! Just don't tell anyone....

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I guess i will not be buying your land after all :rolleye2:

Ok, call it a black back. Its not, but go ahead.

Why does nobody have a problem with the description? It is a 2004 that weighs only 900 grams. It hasn't eaten in just under 7 months. He states multiple times that it should be ready to breed this next season... and that is the reason to buy it.

Do you think this is designed to get someone who knows what there doing interested? Or do you think it is trying to lure in a new bee without a clue that wants to breed balls and get rich?

I am sorry I did not contact this seller to start with. keep in mind, this thread was about general concerns... not just this very misleading thread.

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Originally Posted by mcavana

keep in mind, this thread was about general concerns... not just this very misleading thread.

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I can vouch for Randy and I can assure you there was no intention on his part to mislead or rip off anyone. Randy is a young, very mature member here who is also knowledgeable and could likely teach you a thing or two. In other words don’t be so quick to judge people!

A PM or bringing this to the attention of the staff might have been a better option than making this kind of thread.

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Originally Posted by mcavana

Ok, call it a black back. Its not, but go ahead.

Why does nobody have a problem with the description? It is a 2004 that weighs only 900 grams. It hasn't eaten in just under 7 months. He states multiple times that it should be ready to breed this next season... and that is the reason to buy it.

Do you think this is designed to get someone who knows what there doing interested? Or do you think it is trying to lure in a new bee without a clue that wants to breed balls and get rich?

I am sorry I did not contact this seller to start with. keep in mind, this thread was about general concerns... not just this very misleading thread.

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Randy, Is an A-1 guy in my book! There is nothing wrong with his ad as far as I can see. I'd have a problem if he posted it to be a genetic bb. But he didnt. It is still considered a bb though. And is a pretty nice one at that! Calm down Brother!:gj:

I don't know the advertiser of this snake but I can see no wrong doing on his part. He gives the age, weight, he discloses a feeding problem, he bought it from a reputable breeder with paperwork calling it a black back and his asking price is not out of line. I see no embellishment. A person could always make him an offer for less than he is asking if they feel that he is asking too much. I have seen ads (not on this site) of people claiming a new morph and asking thousands of dollars for what appears to me to be an unusual normal and if the traits can be passed on to offspring or not is unknown. That is not above board to me but I can see no resemblance to this situation.

Fine I am calm. My sincerest appologies Randy. I should have shot you a pm with my concerns.


They are beautiful snakes. All ball pythons are beautiful!!!! Its still not a black back! :D and if it has taken 4 years to get to 900 grams, and it hasn't eaten in 7 months... the likelyhood of it being ready to breed this next season is piss poor. Don't sugest otherwise! people will believe you!

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Originally Posted by mcavana

Fine I am calm. My sincerest appologies Randy. I should have shot you a pm with my concerns.


They are beautiful snakes. All ball pythons are beautiful!!!! Its still not a black back! :D and if it has taken 4 years to get to 900 grams, and it hasn't eaten in 7 months... the likelyhood of it being ready to breed this next season is piss poor. Don't sugest otherwise! people will believe you!

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Well I do have to disagree with you there. I personally have seen how much weight a female BP can gain. My own WC girl came in at around 1370 on 6/9/07 grams, she refused to eat for 3 months.

When she began to eat on 9/1/08, she weighed 1280. She weighed in at 1800 in Feb.

She gained close to 600 grams in 5 months. I have to say it is very doable for his female to gain weight in time.

Just sayin! ;)