Re: Feeding in a separate tank?
about as much of a myth as feeding your snake inside its enclosure will get you bit
Re: Feeding in a separate tank?
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JoshJP7
Yes you are correct I am calling it a myth... Ive fed all my snakes except 1 every week for 2 yrs outside thier enclosure with 0 bites, 0 regurges... Actually let me correct myself... I was bit twice but that was right after I put them in the tub and was pulling my hand away(before being fed). It takes .2 seconds to pick the snake up and gently put it in its cage. As far as handling after feeding... picking them up to put them back in their tub is not handling in my book so yes I agree you should not handle 48hrs after feeding.
I'm not saying its impossible to do this successfully; I mentioned that in my first post.
Regurgitations happen not only because of handling; they're a survival tactic, snakes regurge so that they can escape a predator quickly when frightened. So just because you've had 0 regurges doesn't mean its a myth. Its very possible that someone moving a snake from a feeding tank to a home tank could startle them and cause a regurge.
In the end I agree it doesn't matter as long as they eat; but people should know the facts and come to their own conclusions.
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you asked why we use that day for cleaning and I let you know. I am not going to change the paper every time one of my snake pees. If I did that every time I'd be changing each tub 3 times a week. My tubs are far from dirty and I'm far from OCD with cleaning their tubs. These animals live in the wild where their own poop and pee is far from the worse thing they encounter. If you think 8ball or Ralph change their tubs everytime a snake poops or pees youre insane. I could be wrong but im pretty sure they do all their tubs 1nce a week.
Why would you bring up what Adam or Ralph do? Do you have as many snakes as they do? I sure don't!! I only have 16 and I don't let the snakes live in a tub full of pee and poo- I don't consider that OCD, I just think of it as good husbandry.
As far as equating living in tubs with living in their natural surroundings- don't. That comparison is not even close.
Also, don't call names; it's not nice and degrades the conversation and your influence within it.
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JoshJP7
Yes you are correct I am calling it a myth... Ive fed all my snakes except 1 every week for 2 yrs outside thier enclosure with 0 bites, 0 regurges... Actually let me correct myself... I was bit twice but that was right after I put them in the tub and was pulling my hand away(before being fed). It takes .2 seconds to pick the snake up and gently put it in its cage. As far as handling after feeding... picking them up to put them back in their tub is not handling in my book so yes I agree you should not handle 48hrs after feeding.
My problem with her response is she gets all flared up when she reads someone post that myth but shes going to mention two other myths? Even worse is she doesnt even feed outside the enclosure so how would she know? I speak from my 2 yrs of experience... No its not 40yrs and no I dont have 100+ snakes but its experience none the less.
Just like people who feed inside the tub get bothered by that myth I get bothered by the myths of feeding outside the enclosure. Both can be done correctly and both can be done incorrectly... neither is superior to the other and as well all keep mentioning its not how/where you feed but that your snake eats.
Interesting Josh: You posted this today at 9:56 right here:
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=66851
For those who don't want to pull it up, Josh wrote this:"I cant say Ive ever seen undigested food in their poops but I did have my first snake regurge on me bc I handled 24hrs after feeding."
Like I mentioned earlier Josh, your influence is waning, at best.
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I brought up what Adam and Ralph do b/c it supports my case... No I do not have as many snakes of them but it still doesnt change the facts that they dont clean with every poop/pee. Just because I dont clean with every poop/pee on the spot 2wice a day doesnt mean I dont have good husbandry practices.
just double checked all my posts and I dont see where I called anyone any names but if I did I appologize.
Double check that post I made... I handled the snake A DAY AFTER IT HAD BEEN FED. I repeat 24HRS AFTER HE ATE... He didnt regurge bc I moved him from the feeding tub to his home... He regurged bc it was my first snake and I didnt know you couldnt mess with them up to 48hrs after they eat and I handled him the next day... Thanks for trying to twist my words to benefit your side though... thats very nice of you!
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JoshJP7
I brought up what Adam and Ralph do b/c it supports my case... No I do not have as many snakes of them but it still doesnt change the facts that they dont clean with every poop/pee. Just because I dont clean with every poop/pee on the spot 2wice a day doesnt mean I dont have good husbandry practices.
just double checked all my posts and I dont see where I called anyone any names but if I did I appologize.
Double check that post I made... I handled the snake A DAY AFTER IT HAD BEEN FED. I repeat 24HRS AFTER HE ATE... He didnt regurge bc I moved him from the feeding tub to his home... He regurged bc it was my first snake and I didnt know you couldnt mess with them up to 48hrs after they eat and I handled him the next day... Thanks for trying to twist my words to benefit your side though... thats very nice of you!
Hmm, I thought you meant that it regurged because you moved it since that was the discussion... Stop your snideness.
Also, I don't know about Adam's or Ralph's cleaning. I'm uncertain as to why you would cite them if you don't know about how they clean either. However, I stand by my notion that good husbandry includes not allowing the snake to sit in a small tub with poo and or pee for a week.
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I tend to get a little touchy when people try to make me look bad....
I dont know the cleaning schedule of either breeder but common sense tells me it would be a full time job to check/clean every tub that has poop/pee in it so they probably dont do it... Also if you watch snakebytes I'm pretty sure Brian said they do cleaning 1 day a week.
You dont have to worry about my snakes being in a small tub with poop/pee bc i dont keep them in small tubs. Smallest tub my snakes are in is 66qt... cleaning twice a week is plenty enough for me.
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I tend to get a little touchy when people try to make me look bad....
I dont know the cleaning schedule of either breeder but common sense tells me it would be a full time job to check/clean every tub that has poop/pee in it so they probably dont do it... Also if you watch snakebytes I'm pretty sure Brian said they do cleaning 1 day a week.
You dont have to worry about my snakes being in a small tub with poop/pee bc i dont keep them in small tubs. Smallest tub my snakes are in is 66qt... cleaning twice a week is plenty enough for me.
I don't know Josh- they need fresh water daily- they probably spot clean during this time as well (since we're conjecturing....)
Also, glad to hear your snakes have stretching space! I think the only place we differ is that cleaning 2x weekly is plenty for you and I clean for the sake of the snake. OCD? Nope! Just respectful in a different way from you. :D
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Just as a note, we spot clean our snakes tubs everyday, takes like a half an hour to mess around with them all. :)
I can't give you anymore rep points now McKinsey ;)
Good Post :gj:!
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I'm pretty sure Brian said they do cleaning 1 day a week.
Brian also uses cypress mulch and sani chips for the majority (if not all) of his snakes. Newspaper doesn't have the same absorbency as mulch or aspen, nor does it cover it up and coat it. It's easier to clean once every week that way, since the animals aren't sitting directly on top of feces and urine. :)
