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  • 04-25-2008, 03:58 PM
    Patrick Long
    Re: How many times??
    That my friend, is what I like to call a warrented statment. Your actions warrented me to say that. See how things work in the "real" world. HA!
  • 04-25-2008, 04:05 PM
    wilomn
    Re: How many times??
    Pattimus, tsk tsk tsk.

    The guy knew it was possible that he would be sharkbait. He took the risk. I don't feel sorry for him.

    I do have sympathy for his family if he has any but he did what he wanted.

    While you, Pattimus, have a right to your opinion, so does Josh.

    Give me the tonka toys until the both of you can play in the sand nicely.
  • 04-25-2008, 04:08 PM
    Argentra
    Re: How many times??
    I have to say I agree. I think it's incredibly sad that he died from it, and I feel for his family... but the guy lived by the Cali coast where sharks are and knew (or at least should have known) that the dangers were high in the morning. He took that risk himself.
  • 04-25-2008, 04:11 PM
    Patrick Long
    Re: How many times??
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Argentra View Post
    I have to say I agree. I think it's incredibly sad that he died from it, and I feel for his family... but the guy lived by the Cali coast where sharks are and knew (or at least should have known) that the dangers were high in the morning. He took that risk himself.

    We also live where there are Mountain Lions, so I go hiking and get killed by a mountain lion (which happened here in ventura not 4 months ago) its my fault?

    Come on now......

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wilomn View Post
    Pattimus, tsk tsk tsk.

    The guy knew it was possible that he would be sharkbait. He took the risk. I don't feel sorry for him.

    I do have sympathy for his family if he has any but he did what he wanted.

    While you, Pattimus, have a right to your opinion, so does Josh.

    Give me the tonka toys until the both of you can play in the sand nicely.

    MY TONKA MY TONKA!!!

    Im just saying, I wish people had sympathy before just blabbing their mouth off.
  • 04-25-2008, 04:16 PM
    JoshJP7
    Re: How many times??
    Its not that he went in the water and got attacked... thats not the point I'm trying to make... Its the fact that he knew sharks feed in the morning... If you go into the woods and get attacked by a mountain lion bc your on a hike, no its not your fault... Just like it wouldnt have been his fault if it was 12 oclock and bright sunshine... But if mountain lions are known to attack say around dusk and you decide to take your walk then and get attacked... well yea id have to say your at fault bc youre smart enough... well supposed to be... to know that they feed mainly around dusk time and you can hold off on going hiking until another day.
  • 04-25-2008, 04:23 PM
    dsirkle
    Re: How many times??
    The US servicemen that get killed in Iraq must really be a contemptible bunch. After all they voluntarily join the military and place themselves in fire fights and expose themselves to roadside bombs.
  • 04-25-2008, 04:32 PM
    tigerlily
    Re: How many times??
    I still don't see why this is riling you up so much. How do you know that he was aware of shark feeding habits? Why does his making this decision make the loss of his life any less sad?
  • 04-25-2008, 04:35 PM
    daniel1983
    Re: How many times??
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JoshJP7 View Post
    If you go into the woods and get attacked by a mountain lion bc your on a hike, no its not your fault..

    But mountain lions are more likely to attack small people, women and children. So if a child was in the woods hiking with his family and was attacked by a mountain lion....then it is the child's fault for being attacked because he was at higher risk to attack? or is it the parent's fault for taking the kid on the hike? Was it the mountain lions fault for not finding another meal? Was it the rabbit's fault because it escaped the mountain lion earlier in the day?

    I see that your one of the type of people that has to put 'blame' on something or someone.

    Who will be at fault when you die? If you are killed by a burgular, will you be at fault for not having tighter security in your home? If you die in a car accident, will you be at fault for not having control of other drivers? If you die because of heart attack, will you be at fault for having a weak heart?

    Stuff can not just happen, can it?....something has to be at fault. I find that to be a funny sort of philosophy of life and death.

    Everyday we walk a thin line of life and death. When thing happen, they happen...it is just life and blame could probably be placed on anything.

    I seen a car accident the other day. People died. If I had not forgotten my keys in the office, I may have been involved in that accident and died. So the fact that I am alive now is my fault because I forgetting my keys?

    What about the other guys that were swimming with the 66 yr old man attacked by the shark? Why did the shark pick that man? There were others. I guess it was his fault for just being himself on that one.
  • 04-25-2008, 05:08 PM
    FloridaHogs
    Re: How many times??
    THANKYOU! Someone finally brought up the fact that the guy was training with a group!

    So there are several facts missing from this equation.

    Yes sharks do primarily feed at dusk and dawn, but that really only applies to the shark types that feed inshore and come in with the bait fish. Also, a high percentage (something like 95%)of shark attacks occur within 5 ft of water and are caused by what amounts to a feeding respose by the shark as they chase after bait fish. Great Whites primarily feed on seals and sea lions(which feed during the day). Great Whites are also deep water feeders. So right there with those two facts, Great Whites do not apply to the standard shark stats.

    Great Whites select their prey by looking up at the shadows on the surface. They like to attack from underneath. If this man was swimming with a group, and since I am guessing the water is pretty cold, lets assume they were in wet suits, they would have looked like a school of seals / sealions. The sharks primary prey. Why was this man attacked over the others? For what ever reason, he probably appeared to be the weakest of the group. Maybe he was straggling behind and seperated a little....who knows.

    At any rate, it is quite ignorant to believe such a statement that sharks feed at dusk and dawn would apply to all species of shark. You MUST take into account the type species that did the attacking. It does not matter what time of the day that guy was in the water since it was a great white involved.
  • 04-25-2008, 06:54 PM
    Colin Vestrand
    Re: How many times??
    i bet if you were there and saw this you would be shocked and horrified, scarred for life.
    it's easy to read a headline and stay emotionally disconnected, but it's this sentiment (lack of regard for human life) that's leading the downfall of our country and the rest of the world.
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