wobbles

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Originally Posted by soy.lor.n

Do spiders have about the same life-span as other BPs?

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I don't think anyone can answer that question with 100% certainty yet. It appears that they will have a normal life span, but they have not been around long enough to know for sure yet.

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Originally Posted by pfan151

How do you know it does not bother them? Just because a snake eats and breeds does not mean the spinning is not detrimental.

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Thats the same thing I have been thinking. All these people that have spiders and some of them someday want to breed them and sell them. Are most of the time the ones that say "oh it doesn't bother them" they still eat and breed. Looks like we have a few people that talk to there snakes or something. Its the snake whisperers. Oh I got it the snakes the wobbles and spinning makes them talk and they are saying that it doesn't bother them. Im sorry but if I was all that wobbling or spinning stuff was going on with me. I said in another post about this. Id want to be taken out in a field and be taken care of. Anyways that my thought on that.

I haven't seen mine wobble , as I just might not know what to look for but she does do some quirky things. I'm super happy to have her no second thoughts here.

When I was a kid, one of my friend's Dad had Menieres disease, a disease that effects the inner ear and equilibrium, he couldn't walk a straight line and always appeared that he had had a few to many drinks, he didn't drink. Maybe it's something like this that is in the spider gene in different degrees?

Rich

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Originally Posted by pythontricker

I'm getting a spider from Jons jungle in a few days and I'm hoping that he wobbles.

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why would you hope for a snake with a neuro problem???

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Originally Posted by ama1997

Thats the same thing I have been thinking. All these people that have spiders and some of them someday want to breed them and sell them. Are most of the time the ones that say "oh it doesn't bother them" they still eat and breed. Looks like we have a few people that talk to there snakes or something. Its the snake whisperers. Oh I got it the snakes the wobbles and spinning makes them talk and they are saying that it doesn't bother them. Im sorry but if I was all that wobbling or spinning stuff was going on with me. I said in another post about this. Id want to be taken out in a field and be taken care of. Anyways that my thought on that.

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Your way of handling challenges must not get you far in life. And if you had some crazy disorder would you want to be just put to sleep. Hell id be happy if someone fed me and cleaned me and gave me a girl to mess around with if i was all messes up. <3 not saying I think wobbles are bad or good. You are just a little over opinionated.

While I could not see putting a creature down just because it is flawed in some way that did not prohibit it from general life type activities, I don't think it would be an animal I could sell as a breeder if I knew it had it, but then again if you are breeding 50+ snakes a year do you really have the time to sit down and really study each one for mental or balance type abnormalities that can only be seen a couple times a day? IMO if you breed animals and breed something that you know has a possible genetic abnormality you should be ready to take care of the snake unless care of the snake requires extreme measures, like it can't swallow its food! If you do sell one you should make sure the buyer knows up front that he is possibly getting a genetically flawed snake and that snake should only be a pet and not used as a breeder. Then again you get back to the large breeder with 20 or more clutches a year they don't really have time to deal with a lot of pet snakes!

thanks everyone for all your posts, now my spider has settled in he looks a lot better, hes eaten and all i can see now is his head slighly to one side, lets hope he will improve with age.

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Originally Posted by Gloryhound

While I could not see putting a creature down just because it is flawed in some way that did not prohibit it from general life type activities, I don't think it would be an animal I could sell as a breeder if I knew it had it, but then again if you are breeding 50+ snakes a year do you really have the time to sit down and really study each one for mental or balance type abnormalities that can only be seen a couple times a day? IMO if you breed animals and breed something that you know has a possible genetic abnormality you should be ready to take care of the snake unless care of the snake requires extreme measures, like it can't swallow its food! If you do sell one you should make sure the buyer knows up front that he is possibly getting a genetically flawed snake and that snake should only be a pet and not used as a breeder. Then again you get back to the large breeder with 20 or more clutches a year they don't really have time to deal with a lot of pet snakes!

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I respectfully disagree with you about reputable breeders and them not knowing their for-sale stock. I have dealt with three breeders who fall into your category of breeding 50+ snakes a year and having in excess of 20 clutches and I can assure you that the breeders TAKE THE TIME to know what they are selling. My '06 spider came from Adam at 8Ball and he absolutely knew about the spider he was selling me.
Please, don't let numbers of snakes cloud your vision for the passion that some breeders have for turning out totally top-notch reptiles for other breeders and hobbyists. The breeders I deal with know their stock and handle their snakes.
Okay, coming off my soapbox now......!

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Originally Posted by barbara

i wanted to breed from him when hes older, what do you think.

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I can't see any reason not to. Being a bad one can come from parents who barely show it, then I'd assume it to be a random thing with the severity being a case by case basis.

If you have read about Ralph Davis's experience with one that showed barely anything at all only to later end up wobbling bad, then you can assume it's almost impossible to predict how an animal will turn out with these genetics that spiders have.

If you don't do it, then you stand to learn nothing at all. Just my opinion!