Re: Switching from glass to tub
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Originally Posted by
JoshJP7
I dont take it personally I just dont like people getting filled with incorrect information such as "too big itll stress it out"... Im just curious what your snakes "do better" than mine??... Why do you take it personal when I reccomend large enclosures? Its been my experience that they do just fine in larger enclosures so I will always reccommend it to newbies... not everyone wants to keep their snakes in a tiny box... some like to allow them room to move w/o going through their own piss n poop.
I use small tubs and just clean up the piss and poop. That way they don't have to crawl in it and they still feel secure and eat everything I throw at them.
Re: Switching from glass to tub
The point, that you missed Josh, is that you were just as convinced a year ago that glass was better than plastic (and with more experience with it, you changed your mind) as you are today that larger is better than smaller.
Recommend 60 quart tubs if you'd like, but don't be offended when others choose to disgree with you and recommend smaller tubs to newer keepers. Refer to Deborah's bolded part of her reply.
Re: Switching from glass to tub
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Originally Posted by
PythonWallace
I use small tubs and just clean up the piss and poop. That way they don't have to crawl in it and they still feel secure and eat everything I throw at them.
:D:gj:
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I dont care that you reccommend small tubs... i care when you give out false information such as a 66 qt tub will stress out a baby. I never said larger was BETTER... I believe it was you who said smaller is BETTER... I still havent gotten a response back to whats "better" about your snakes so I assume your answer is nothing... All Im saying is a 66qt aint too big... these animals live in the wild ... wheres there 12qt wall preventing them from roaming in the wild? "they spend the majority of their time in small holes"... yea and they spend the majority of their time in the hide so what does that have anything to do with "too much space?" I dont mind you reccommending smaller tubs bc they work for you... but saying theyre "better" makes you look ignorant.
Re: Switching from glass to tub
Josh please don't take this as an attack but I do feel that the level of experience that you boost about may be found wanting when measured with that of members that you are disagreeing with. For example stress in ball pythons can be a quick or slow progression.
Now with that being said out of the 11 snakes you boast about doing fine how many of them have been in your care more than a year. By my count at least five of them have been with you less than 6 months and three of those less than 2 months. So how many have been in your care for more than a year and house in nothing but 66qt tubs?? I have had established animals well eating animals stress months after an enclosure change as simple as using newspaper instead of aspen?????. Please understand that the advice we give is a combination come to after years even decades of experience keeping ...successfully I might say these animals for years.
The advice we offer for newbes is structured so that they can enjoy these animals with little to no problems. To say that you can't keep a ball python in a 66qt tub is not true you can keep one in a bath tub maybe even for along time. Is it the easiest and least stressful manner to do so..no.
Being a small bodied ground dwelling nocturnal animal that's natural habitat is ground burrows and termite mounds. Large open areas with lots of head room and light even if its just to travel from hide to hide is stressfull..Why you might as ..BECAUSE THEY THINK THEIR GOING TO GET EATEN.
Please understand that when we give advice it is not the only way to do things even we are still learning new things about these animals needs but it is the easiest way to achieve the long term goal of keeping these animals.
So I can say with years thats YEARS of experience keeping many of these animals for years. That a 66qt tub will stress a ball python baby.
Re: Switching from glass to tub
OK so in two years with no issues will you allow me to say that they can be kept in larger enclosures?> So in your long history of keeping BPs how many times did you set up a 66qt tub for a baby and test it out? How many times did you stray from the norm of a 12qt tub and try something new? Im going to guess prolly very few times if ever... set up a 66qt for your next baby... try it out... then come back to me... Ill bet you all 11 of my snakes you dont have a problem as long as proper heat/humidity is met... To say a 66qt tub is too big is rediculous.
Re: Switching from glass to tub
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Originally Posted by
JoshJP7
OK so in two years with no issues will you allow me to say that they can be kept in larger enclosures?> So in your long history of keeping BPs how many times did you set up a 66qt tub for a baby and test it out? How many times did you stray from the norm of a 12qt tub and try something new? Im going to guess prolly very few times if ever... set up a 66qt for your next baby... try it out... then come back to me... Ill bet you all 11 of my snakes you dont have a problem as long as proper heat/humidity is met... To say a 66qt tub is too big is rediculous.
Your right my animals mean to much to me to risk it not working and compromising their health
Re: Switching from glass to tub
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Originally Posted by
JoshJP7
OK so in two years with no issues will you allow me to say that they can be kept in larger enclosures
I never said they couldn't I said it wasn't the ideal set up for them.
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what about your backround gives you the right to say "ideal"... you have a degree in zoology or done personal studies that have been posted in a magazine or something? Im going to guess the answer is no just like you not trying to house them in anything other than 12qt. I always thought ideal snake requirements were 2 snug hides... temps between 78-83 cool and 88-95 warm... humidity above 50%... I didnt know there was an "ideal" size.. i stick to my previous statement... your ignorant.
Re: Switching from glass to tub
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Originally Posted by
JoshJP7
what about your backround gives you the right to say "ideal"... you have a degree in zoology or done personal studies that have been posted in a magazine or something? Im going to guess the answer is no just like you not trying to house them in anything other than 12qt... i stick to my previous statement... your ignorant.
Best of luck :gj:
