How well do our snakes know us?

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Originally Posted by reediculous

calendar marked! :banana:

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you bringing your pet bunny? :8:

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Originally Posted by reediculous

you bringing your pet bunny? :8:

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:O

oh.... :8: there's that!


I soooo almost spit my dew EVERYWHERE!

im gonna have to say that im one of the people that most will say is crazy. I feel there has to be more of a connection b/w snake and human. I guess im just filling myself with the false hope that she loves daddy more then everyone else :P.

She does remain calmer when she is in my arms,neck then others though. She remains almost perfectly still when she is on me and just moves her cute little head around checking stuff out, but when she goes to others she is on the move likes its her job. Some of these people have snakes as well so i would like to assume they have some idea how to hold snakes, but i could be wrong lol.

Instinct
Instinct means something that happens automatically or naturally, eg It was almost instinctive the way that the actress acted out the scene.Instinct is the inherent disposition of a living organism toward a particular behavior. Instincts are generally inherited patterns of responses or reactions to certain kinds of stimuli. In humans they are most easily observed in behaviors such as emotions, sexual drive, and other bodily functions, as these are largely biologically determined[citation needed]. Instinct provides a response to external stimuli, which moves an organism to action, unless overridden by intelligence, which is creative and more versatile. Since instincts take generations to adapt, an intermediate position, or basis for action, is served by memory, which provides individually stored successful reactions built upon experience. The particular actions performed may be influenced by learning, environment and natural principles. Generally, the term instinct is not used to describe an existing condition or established state.

I also think this is a good place to start reading for a view on how pointless it is to argue whether they do or not feel emotions. It's a tough subject to argue.
Animal_Emotions

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

how pointless it is to argue whether they do or not feel emotions.

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I don't think it is pointless.

I may not agreee with some people on this subject but I do love for others to share their thoughts and opinions.

just sayin'

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

I don't think that will ever happen.

just sayin'

I think no.

I don't think my snakes care who puts their hand in their encloures...just as long as they are fed.

Again...I ask you...If your snake recognizes you then why would he be gone if you left his enclosure open.

I know there are a rare few that believe that he would just look for your pillow and curl up but nah ah.

and....

why would he bite you if he was in shed...or hungry?

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I never said a snake wouldn't leave me. And the way it must feel to have someone help with a shed, I'd bite me, too!

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Originally Posted by Mindibun

This post reminds me of one I started ages ago. It also looked at the other end of the snake human relationship. Or, at least, I tried to get a better understanding of how snakes view us:
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=49584

It seems to me that snake people are just heartless, uncaring people, incapable of love, and incapable of realizing that other creatures may also have emotions. Snake people are just cruel jerks, that's all.

(Kidding guys -lol-)

Seriously though, you're gonna have to fight PRETTY darn hard to convince most of the people here that snakes think or feel any sort of emotion other than hunger. (If that could even be called an emotion.) I'm in the same boat as you, Melissa. I don't care if they'd leave me if given the chance. I feel like there's gotta be more to the whole deal. I'm not satisfied with being a heat rock in my snake's eyes. -lol-

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I never said that they feel emotions - more that maybe they can detect ours. But primarily, I was trying to make my point about the blood pressure, heart and respiration rate, as well as hormones - can they detect these? (and I'll check out your thread)

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

I can see this is gonna make it in the QR by the end of the day.
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Sorry, but I'm too new. What is QR?

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

I also think this is a good place to start reading for a view on how pointless it is to argue whether they do or not feel emotions. It's a tough subject to argue.
Animal_Emotions

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Like I said, I never said they had emotions. I was just wondering if anyone agreed that maybe they can sense / know us more than we realize. Don't you think your snake would notice the difference if you your heart and respiration rates and blood pressure were very high? What about "smelling" fear, etc.?

Also, I never said my snake wouldn't leave me given the chance. I'm sure he'd "smell" his way to one of your homes. He probably hates living with someone as over-sensitive as me, even though he loves me. ;) :rofl:

If your going to keep the discussion on whether or not they "can sense physiological changes in an animal or person they are near or touching"
Then yes, I totally agree. I just dont know the threshold that they can sense to. If we give off hormones or some scent of "fear" then they will probably be able to smell it with how sensitive they are.
Do I believe they recognize it as fear? No, I think they view it as high stress, discomfort, or a restless scent.

I think they pick up vibrations extremely well. Can they feel our heartbeat when they constrict? Heck yea they can. Have you ever had your Blood pressure taken? I can feel my pulse through my ears at that point.
They may be able to associate that with an animal being alive and not ready for eating, or not. I don't know.

Do I believe in biorhythms? Not in the sense that they can know or identify our moods. That again would lead to them reasoning and having the ability to understand moods or thoughts.
But for physiological reasons, they probably can tell what's going on concerning stress and eustress.

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Originally Posted by MelissaFlipski

Sorry, but I'm too new. What is QR?

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The QR is my home away from home...

lol

It's The Quarentine Room...where the "good stuff" is.

;)