Pics of Nyoka.

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Originally Posted by ctrlfreq

Of course not, the statement was about the el-cheapo thermometers failing in normal enclosure conditions, which, regardless of external environments, should be the same (temp & humidity). Are you trying to say that the inside of the enclosure, where these devices reside, should be different based on the external environs?

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No, I'm saying where I am the air going INTO the tank, you know that stuff that replaces the current air in there. Let's call it a current. This current, is different based on where you are located. If someone has a tank in Florida, the current air is going to have more salt than say a tank in the desert. This is obvious. It's a bummer if you are unable to comprehend something that basic.

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Originally Posted by ctrlfreq

Bingo, which is the entire point. The cheap analog devices are not constructed properly, and are thus extremely prone to inaccuracy and failure, in the very conditions they are made to operate in. Seriously, how much, if any, quality control do you really think your $1 thermometer got?

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So it's bad because it's cheap? Not that I get a wholesale deal on them and pay no markup? That markup people were complaining about earlier? Yeah. That one. Prove price equils quality. Didn't think so.

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Originally Posted by ctrlfreq

And when someone addressed an issue in your picture at "that moment in time", you threw a tantrum about how you would 'show them'. Either way, are you claiming that your setup is different now than before, and if not, then why the "given moment" smoke-screen?

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I never said I would show them in regards to a picture. I meant it as I can show them analogs work just fine by keeping my snake healthy for a long time using them. Nice reading comprehension you have there.

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Originally Posted by ctrlfreq

Failure rates look like 1 in 100 or 50 in 100, and are based on a given amount of time (not a variance of +/- a number of degrees).

That said, I would be very interested in the source of your information, as well as the information you decided not to refer to, the failure rate of the cheap analogs.

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I'm already not very impressed with your reading ability, but next time you get one of your fancy digitals try reading the box it is in.

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Originally Posted by ctrlfreq

First, I don't, and wouldn't, use tanks since I know that glass enclosures, being made of glass and all, are themselves an obsticle for trying to maintain the proper conditions these animals require. Sure, you can do it, but that doesn't mean you should.

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A tank is defined as a large recepticle. Immagine this: they can even be made out of metal like the one on your car! OMG!!! evil glass!!

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Originally Posted by ctrlfreq

Second, our racks tend to have these "fancy digitials" in at least 50% of the populated tubs. This means that, along with the thermostat regulating the power level to the heating elements, I may have as many as 6-8 thermometers per rack. Given the number, and the fact that these are cleaned, batteries replaced, and move around regularly (often two or more in the same tub to verify accuracy), we can very easily pick out those that are broken or inaccurate. So far, we've had one fail, which was due to an animal deciding it looked better in the water bowl.

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I'm happy for you. How do you know they're accurate? If you shopped around and bought any of them on wholesale they're probably crap and won't work! (Using your logic)

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Originally Posted by ctrlfreq

Well, since we've now established that I do, in fact, verify the accuracy of the devices I use to take care of my animals, I guess I can comment all I want, eh? Can questions like "How many of these cheap thermometers do you have in the enclosure?", "How do you test and verify their accuracy?", or "Do you still have any of the previous 'exotics' you mentioned, and if not, what happened to them?" qualify as comments?

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I've already said that. Yet again, I'm not sure your reading comprehension is above 20%.

My last exotic was a giant millipede if you must know. Died last year at the age of 8. Oddly enough, I used analogs it's whole life.

Either way. Good luck with being a prick.

feeding live is the bext. i cant bring myself to thaw out a dead animal and heat it up with a blow dryer. that to me is more morbid than live feeding.

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Originally Posted by sirgrim

Either way. Good luck with being a prick.

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Cease with the name calling. Debate your point if you must, but debate civilly.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Cease with the name calling. Debate your point if you must, but debate civilly.

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You can always delete my posts and account like I requested over a day ago.

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Originally Posted by sirgrim

You can always delete my posts and account like I requested over a day ago.

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Cease with the name calling. Debate your point if you must, but debate civilly.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Cease with the name calling. Debate your point if you must, but debate civilly.

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OK fluffy. Is fluffy an OK name to call?

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Originally Posted by sirgrim

No, I'm saying where I am the air going INTO the tank, you know that stuff that replaces the current air in there. Let's call it a current.

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Yes, I'm aware that different environments have differing air pressure, concentrations of certan gasses, etc. The problem is, none of that is pertinent when you're dealing with a device that is meant to function between -20 and 140 degrees in an enclosed environment to maintain standard conditions, and yet still has a high rate of failure within those very ranges.

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Originally Posted by sirgrim

So it's bad because it's cheap? Not that I get a wholesale deal on them and pay no markup?

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There is a difference between cheap as in cost and cheap as in quality of fabrication, although low quality is usually accompanies low cost. Regardless of whether you paid $1 wholesale or $4 retail, they're still cheaply constructed and prone to failure.

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Originally Posted by sirgrim

I never said I would show them in regards to a picture. I meant it as I can show them analogs work just fine by keeping my snake healthy for a long time using them.

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And you think I'm the one with the comprehension problem? I know exactly what you were saying, and the fact that you meant that you would show them the analogs would work just fine IN SPITE OF the advice you were being given (which by the way came from many people who, like myself, have used and discarded the very same equipment you are so adamant about defending).

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Originally Posted by sirgrim

I'm already not very impressed with your reading ability, but next time you get one of your fancy digitals try reading the box it is in.

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I can look at it right now and tell you that +/- 2 degrees is NOT THE FAILURE RATE -- it is the range of accuracy (which your analogs under-perform by a 5-to-1 margin - or to put it in easy to understand terms, +/- 10 degrees). That said, you don't seem to be impressed by many things, including reason and experience by those who have been involved with this particular species.

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Originally Posted by sirgrim

A tank is defined as a large recepticle. Immagine this: they can even be made out of metal like the one on your car! OMG!!! evil glass!!

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First, a tank is a receptacle for liquids, not just any recepticle. Second, I didn't say glass was evil (although I will commend you on yet another nice straw-man), just that glass tanks are not efficient or optimal for the housing and maintenance of environments required by ball pythons.

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Originally Posted by sirgrim

I'm happy for you. How do you know they're accurate?

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First, I bought them from a reputable supplier who regulary ensures the quality of his goods (GO RICH!), second I regularly test and maintain my equipment, but you already know that, just like you know this is just another cop-out to avoid answering questions about how you know YOURS are accurate.

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Originally Posted by sirgrim

My last exotic was a giant millipede if you must know. Died last year at the age of 8. Oddly enough, I used analogs it's whole life.

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So you somehow feel that raising an arthropod that can thrive in drastically different humidity ranges (between 15-85%), and only requires a single-temperature enclosure that can fall anywhere within a 30 degree range, using devices that are accurate to +/- 10 degrees is somehow applicable to your new acquisition that is vastly more sensitive to both humidity and temperature, and has vastly greater requirements to stay healthy. Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by sirgrim

OK fluffy. Is fluffy an OK name to call?

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No you can call her Robin, ma'am, or even Madame Administrator. :rolleyes:

You do realize that being abrasive and confrontational will not get your info deleted. We can however place you undermoderation, or eventully even ban you. But neither of those two options get your info deleted. Just your ability to use this site.

Wow, this is all over a $1 thermometer. :confused:

Time to move on to helping people that want/need it. NEXT

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Originally Posted by sirgrim

I paid $1 for mine because I shop around and know what I'm looking for.

People calling my choice of equipment cheap is one thing. Saying it doesn't work right is assumptious at best, ignorant at least.

I also live in the desert, so equipment even works differently here and an analog setup might last longer without the high hummidy brought by, let's say Florida or California. Far away from salt too.

Yes, I am a little defensive that some pictures get nit-picked over guages by people that know nothing more about my setup or location than four pictures.

This might be my first ball python, but it's far from my first reptile or exotic pet.

Heck, I'm tempted to not upgrade to digital now just to show everyone it can be done.

Shh, just don't tell anyone I'm a live feeder. Keep 'em on the guages ;D

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LOL I used analog for many years. Snakes are still alive and reproducing. The digital are more accurate and easier to read. I switched to them awhile ago and I'll never go back. Some people are very quick to point out what you are doing wrong or what you can do to better take care of your reptiles(in their opinion). I just try to think that they are trying to help and not just be a know it all.