Geees its only cable

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Oh, c'mon... you can't criticize his data because it's from the UN but then use your reference from Newsmax. (Newsmax: "supported by a group of conservative investors") Besides, if the UN numbers were so skewed because they want the US to ban guns, don't you think they would have skewed it to place us more than 24th?

And at least he provided data. The newsmax article just references a gun proponent who cites some other columnist that supposedly has data. If you're going to criticize someones data, at least have your own to back it up.

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If you would have read my post I criticized it because of how old it was...I also (like he did) included my personal oppinion about the validity of the data. As far as how skewed I "think" it might be they included data from justifiable homisides (ie. those where a person protected themselves which I feel is misleading but again this is my opinion on the subject...it doesn't negate the age of the data on a topic where the statics can change quickly)

If you have a source you would like let me know and I will try and find it.

:salute:

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Originally Posted by kavmon

tyree, get some kevlar and line the bucket!:) or give them a free premium channel!




vaughn

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even if i did give her something free she would of pulled the same crap.........you can tell she wasn't stable! people making those kind of threats in this day and getting away with just an it's ok is crazy to me..........can you imagine me yelling that same thing to a cop.....if you don't fix the drug problem out there i'm going to COME OUT AND SHOOT YOU! things would have been done!

i didn't want this to turn into a guns are bad/guns are good thread! its your right to carry a weapon to hunt or to protect your family........


but making threats..................thats wrong

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Originally Posted by reediculous

even if i did give her something free she would of pulled the same crap.........you can tell she wasn't stable! people making those kind of threats in this day and getting away with just an it's ok is crazy to me..........can you imagine me yelling that same thing to a cop.....if you don't fix the drug problem out there i'm going to COME OUT AND SHOOT YOU! things would have been done!

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I agree with you...had this occured in a school she would be in jail right now. Double standards

...but I like Vaughn's idea Kevlar is da bomb.:D

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Originally Posted by lord jackel

I agree with you...had this occured in a school she would be in jail right now. Double standards

...but I like Vaughn's idea Kevlar is da bomb.:D

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bullet proof bucket truck.............

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Originally Posted by lord jackel

If you have a source you would like let me know and I will try and find it.

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My only point was that he had actual data instead of just referencing an article about some guy that referenced someone else that supposedly had data. The problem is that you used that 3rd rate data to back up your claim:

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If you read the article I posted you will see the increase in crime (murder, sex assult, other violent crimes) is sky rocketting. Canada is now 50% (which means DOUBLE) the rate of the US in the past couple of years.

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I'm not arguing which one is right or which is wrong, but as an observer I would tend to believe the 10 year old data than that which was referenced in your article.

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Originally Posted by xdeus

My only point was that he had actual data instead of just referencing an article about some guy that referenced someone else that supposedly had data. The problem is that you used that 3rd rate data to back up your claim:



I'm not arguing which one is right or which is wrong, but as an observer I would tend to believe the 10 year old data than that which was referenced in your article.

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My only point of data was that Canada is 50% higher than the US and not what was originally being advocated. I posted the article later as I had received several PM's about the reference to Canada vs. US and felt that others might like a brief overview...NOT as a support of any figures that I quoted. Sorry for the misunderstanding the posting was for others just as an overview...I should have been clearer that it was just incase anyone was interested in reading about it. This was never meant as a gun debate but a simple correction of mis-information.

For those really interested (but you have to dig through it) the 2 best places to look for actual firearm data is the US justice department

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/guns.htm

and the Center for Disease Control (which tracks firearm related incidents as well)

:hijackd: LOL


One more point and then Ill go away! :sabduel:

This survey was done (I believe) in 2001 but it shows the stats of 1998.
http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/Cda-US.htm

I wont disagree and say that Canada's crime rate is not on the rise because it is... People in toronto are getting shot at like crazy these days, But you made a comment "lord jackel" saying that Canada had banned hand-guns like 10 years ago...
Hand Guns have needed to be licensed and registered since the 1930's.

I guess they haven't really been banned... but basically I guess...

Anyway I'll shut up now! :rockon: bro!!!

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Originally Posted by Jonny2184

But you made a comment "lord jackel" saying that Canada had banned hand-guns like 10 years ago...
Hand Guns have needed to be licensed and registered since the 1930's.

I guess they haven't really been banned... but basically I guess...

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Actually I commented on the data being almost 10 years old and said that a lot has changed in that time...including Canada's Gun Ban. I should clarify my comment on "gun ban" you are correct they have been licensed since the 30's but I believe it has been in the last few years that these "licenses" have become almost impossible to get...is that not true? By making the license nearly impossible to get they have effectively banned handguns.

Anywoo...guns are as touchy as abortion is. Everyone has an opinion and are entitled to it. At least both countries have Freedom of Speech so we are all good to go :rockon:

Now send me one of thost Kevlar lined cherry pickers. :D