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Re: IJ Carpet Python X Ball Python!
I like them.
I think hybrids are cooler than regular morphs to tell you the truth.
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Originally Posted by Jenny_Bp
Im with you. I think its so sad, I dont think mutations are a beautiful thing in life. poor animals , thats like mixing a panther with a tiger.
Mutations and hybrids are two seperate things......try to get a little informed before you make a strong opinion.
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Originally Posted by sweety314
But yeah, that's just wrong. Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it SHOULD be done.
Man screws up nature enough as it is....that's why there are so many endangered and threatened species.....why fuff it up even more, DELIBERATELY?????
We do have real global environmental and sustainability problems, but I wouldn't put human hybridization of species anywhere close to the top of that list. In fact, I really woulndt even lisit it as a problem. Exotic species is a much bigger problem for example.
You also assume that nature looks out for us....I can tell you she does not..Nature can be a very neglectful mother.......very little of what we eat today is "natural"...and it has little to do with genetic engineering or pesticide....
Corn, carrots, tomatoes, wheat, sheep, cows, bananas, the list goes on.....were all created by man through selective breeding, domestication, and/or hybridization by early agriculturists....these "unnatural events" that permitted human societies to form.
That's why so much of the opposition to genetically modified foods today is nothing but Pagan-like, Dirt worshiping nonsense.....there is nothing natural about corns or tomatoes..they simply did not exist before man created them...and organic farmers can use some of the strongest pesticides as long as they are produced by living things......
GM crops and livestock, on the other hand, can grow on less land, produce less harmful waste, and often use less harmful pesticides.
But perhaps you want to go back to being a true hunter-gather. And even if we wanted to do that...it wouldn't work today...there are simply too many humans on this planet. We need the green revolution of the 60's and the biotech revolution of today to help meet the global populations needs.
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Re: IJ Carpet Python X Ball Python!
Hybrids are great when the breeder does their homework as this one did.
Hybrids aren't cool when someone just slaps two animals together and says "Get it done." without knowing the possibilities of hereditary genetic troubles and not passing info on. I have a big problem with people who sell animals fullbred or hybridized without full disclosure.
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Personally that's not my favorite cross, but to call it a "poor animal" is relatively silly. Do you realize some of the dog breeds millions of people buy every year have extraordinary health problems? For those that have such "issues" with hybriding, do you feel the same about the more common hybrids? Like the Mule or Hinny?
Why is it that creating morphs for financial reasons more acceptable than hybrids? I realize ethical standards are fairly subjective, but that's just absurd. Persoanlly, I consider making dog breeds that can't breathe through their noses a great deal more unethical than crossing snakes that thrive. And I'm willing to bet, a few of the folks who take "ethical" stances against snake hybrids, own a few of those dogs.
I don't believe that any of those mammal hybrids you mentioned are fertile so the cross breeding STOPS with the first generation. As far as dogs go, unless you are talking about Dog/wolf hybrids (which I also disagree with), ALL DOGS BREEDS ARE THE SAME SPECIES, EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM IS CANIS FAMILIARIS..... It's a COMPLETELY different definition of the term 'HYBRID' then what is meant when breeding different species together.
However many and probably even most snake hybrids ARE fertile. THAT is where the problem lies. It does not take too many generations of back crossing to produce animals that outwardly look just like ball pythons or IJ carpet pythons... However they will NOT be ball pythons or carpet pythons, they will still be hybrids that contain a significant amount of genetic material from the other species and you WILL wind up with sporadic and unpredictable results when breeding. It would be like a chemist trying to mix different ingredients together to achieve a certain goal, when one of those ingredients has been contaminated.
Don't think it will never happen, it already HAS happened with other species. NO WHERE can you buy a corn snake and be 100% guaranteed of getting an animal that is pure Pantherophis guttatus guttatus. (or Elaphe guttata guttata for those who have been around longer) The same has happened with many species of king snakes and gopher snakes as well. At one time I thought that ball pythons would be a safe refuge from all the hybridizing madness, but I guess I was wrong about that.
Mark
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Re: IJ Carpet Python X Ball Python!
the way i see it, these are being hybridized (is that a word?) in captivity- NOT in the wild. so, really, what impact is it going to make on anything besides the breeders and owners? maybe if they were breeding different animals together then releasing them into the wild, i'd see it as a problem but....
i think they're gorgeous!:rockon:
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Re: IJ Carpet Python X Ball Python!
Can you post some of the other baby pics?
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Originally Posted by MarkS
As far as dogs go, unless you are talking about Dog/wolf hybrids (which I also disagree with), ALL DOGS BREEDS ARE THE SAME SPECIES, EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM IS CANIS FAMILIARIS.....
It's my understanding that the domestic dog came about as a result of the interbreeding of other species in the canine family, such as wolves, coyotes, dingos, etc... is this correct? If so, it seems like the same situation, only thousands of years earlier than dogs.
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