introducing saphira! (DUW)

wow sounds like i might have to breed her to prove her out to see what she really is?

so what i have is no pure coastal? i'll keep looking around and see what i can find.

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Originally Posted by Snakeman

wow sounds like i might have to breed her to prove her out to see what she really is?

so what i have is no pure coastal? i'll keep looking around and see what i can find.

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Breeding her will not prove anything out. The only way of really knowing what she is is to track down who bred her. Where her parents came from, what they were bred to, etc. Being a rescue that is almost impossible. In the canine world, she would be classified as a mutt.

I think it would be safe to just call her a nice carpet and place her under Morelia domesticus americanus. The American carpet python.

Please don't take this the wrong way as she is a very beautiful carpet python. But there is just no way of saying with any certainty what subspecies she is.

i see.yeah it would be impossible to actually track down her parents.the guy i got her from,he moved that same day i got her so i have no way of contacting him.either way,shes my first morelia and she'll be happy to be in my care.

Oh, believe me, I am sure she will be much happier in your care. :relax:

ya never know what you can find out when you send out a ton of emails... either way that is one nice carpet! its very coastal-ish IMO and if you were interested in breeding it you could probably get a nice project going anyway... a lot people want pure breds but a lot of people just want cool projects. maybe cross it with another hybrid and go from there:
(??new carpet??) x (diamondxcoastal) = ?????

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First of all, DUDE take a chill pill!!! While those of us that has been around on any forum for a while can attest, these type of questions come up all the time. Yes, it can be frustrating, but there is no excuse for you to be rude about it. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. (Sound familiar?)

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I was chill when i said that. I'll say what i want, nice or not.
This isnt a forum where you can only say what the people want to hear, they need to truth too.

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Originally Posted by jamesw

I was chill when i said that. I'll say what i want, nice or not.
This isnt a forum where you can only say what the people want to hear, they need to truth too.

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This is also not a forum where you can just act like an ass either. :irkd:

Agreed!!:cool: apperently it must come naturaly to some...

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

This is also not a forum where you can just act like an ass either. :irkd:

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

This is also not a forum where you can just act like an ass either. :irkd:

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Now that made my day!!! :8: :8: :8:

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Originally Posted by MPenn

Actually, Irian and coastal are not "morphs" or "color phases", they are different subspecies.

Coastal carpets are Morelia spilota mcdowelli.
Jungle carpets are M. s. cheynei.
Irian Jayas (West Papuans) are M. s. variegata. Sometimes you will find them referred to as M. s. harrisoni, but this name has yet to be accepted by most in the scientific community.
Centralians (Bredl's python) are distinct enough from the other carpets that it has been designated it's own species, M. bredli.

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In a perfect world that is correct though a lot of taxonomists debate the validity of many of the sub species.

The bigger issue is so many of the suposed "pure lines" in the US today are not pure and a Jungle is called a jungle just because it is black and yellow. Consider that Austrailia does not let any snake be exported any longer and how many of the carpets brought in are from IJ stock (the only legal wild imports today) and you start to realize that there is a lot of mixed lines and a lot of "Costals" that are just a IJ of a certain look, etc.

I don't belive any breeders do this on purpose it is just that you only know as much about an animal as the source can tell you, etc. There are some pure lines out there but a lot of mixed this or that, called one flavor or another subspecies.

There is a dude over at Repticzone that has a animal that is supposed to be an IJ, it looks like an IJ but it is ever loving huge. Like as big as many male burms! I smell coastal in that one.

Of course now some guy has breed Ball Pythons crossed with Carpets, AKA the "Carball", I am not a big "anti hybrid" guy but gee that just seems like something that never needed to be done. :eek: I do have to be impressed that it happened though, that had to take some effort.

Well I guess it ain't all that bad, you know some people say God got stoned the day he came up with the platapus, :ohmygod: