Nuff Said!!!

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Originally Posted by mricyfire

Sorry for offending anyone...that is just how I view it...you guys im sure treat them all nicely, but to me...i just kind of see it like...I wouldnt put my 1000$ dog in a 5.99$ dog house. Thats just me not meaning to criticize you all...hopefully you can see where my logic lies, but then again I only have one snake.

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No offense taken, from your reasoning, it is clear that you have no experience with the type of caging you are criticising.

When you have a large group of ball pythons, it would be incredibly time consuming to clean and maintain that large group if they were all kept in individual aquariums or other large, naturalistic enclosures.

While you or others may not like the appearance of a rack system or plastic tub setup, for me, its about the health of the snakes and not the appearance of the enclosure.

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Originally Posted by mricyfire

Sorry for offending anyone...that is just how I view it...you guys im sure treat them all nicely, but to me...i just kind of see it like...I wouldnt put my 1000$ dog in a 5.99$ dog house. Thats just me not meaning to criticize you all...hopefully you can see where my logic lies, but then again I only have one snake.

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But what if you had 400 dogs would you still spend say 150.00 a house for each dog or would you find a more budget friendly way to keep them. Keeping balls in tanks is great I did it when I had two snakes (one snake one tank). But I now have 20 snakes and I spend the same on a complete home-made rack for 10 snakes that I did on one tank set up. Its a space and money thing with me I don't have the space or the money for 20 tanks.

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Originally Posted by mricyfire

Sorry for offending anyone...that is just how I view it...you guys im sure treat them all nicely, but to me...i just kind of see it like...I wouldnt put my 1000$ dog in a 5.99$ dog house. Thats just me not meaning to criticize you all...hopefully you can see where my logic lies, but then again I only have one snake.

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The price of tubs has nothing to do with it. Tubs hold heat and humidity much better than tanks do. I had my first snake in a tank - he fasted for 8 months because the temps and humidity never stayed steady. Now he's in a tub, and eats every week. Which enclosure is better for him? The more expensive glass tank with incorrect husbandry, or the more economical tub that holds heat and humidity perfectly?

Are you suggesting he was better cared for in an enclosure that he wouldn't eat in because it cost more, or one that provides him perfect temps, humidity and the security he needed?

The same argument can be made with housing two snakes in one glass enclosure. Are you going to spend $1000 on a snake and put it in the same glass enclosure with another because you're not willing to spend the money to get a second proper set-up?

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

No offense taken, from your reasoning, it is clear that you have no experience with the type of caging you are criticising.

When you have a large group of ball pythons, it would be incredibly time consuming to clean and maintain that large group if they were all kept in individual aquariums or other large, naturalistic enclosures.

While you or others may not like the appearance of a rack system or plastic tub setup, for me, its about the health of the snakes and not the appearance of the enclosure.

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Thanx for understanding...as for everyone else...my bad. Just disregard my comment.

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Originally Posted by mricyfire

Thanx for understanding...as for everyone else...my bad. Just disregard my comment.

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No need to apologize thats why were here to help educate people on how reptile keeping can and should be done.. :rockon:

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Originally Posted by mricyfire

Sorry for offending anyone...that is just how I view it...you guys im sure treat them all nicely, but to me...i just kind of see it like...I wouldnt put my 1000$ dog in a 5.99$ dog house. Thats just me not meaning to criticize you all...

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I put my snakes in tubs because it is healthier for them. Also I put my 2,500.00 dollar show dog in a fifty dollar ex pen for sleeping. What your not totally understanding is that it's the care they receive, not the fancy digs. Fancy housing is not always best. Quality care and conditioning is more important, that includes quality food. A 50 gal. tank is difficult to clean, thereby people tend to clean less. Also a tank that big can be a real headache holding temps and humidity levels right. Believe me, my showdogs are not showdogs because they have a fancy dog house or bed. We buy yardsale blankets so it doesn't cost us a fortune buying enough to be able to wash and change out often enough. This is not an attack on you, just a line to show you a different perspective on why people use alternate types of housing.:sunny:

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Originally Posted by mricyfire

Personally when you start having tons of rubbermaids...it isnt a pet anymore...just a piece of property. But i guess it depends on what you want.

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...umm, I totally disagree with this statement. I have 16 snakes...11 of which were ball pythons. I kept them in tanks, and when I built my rack and swithced them to tubs, it was the best move I coulda made for both me and the snakes.Also, I would NEVER even consider a single one of my snakes a piece of property.....EVER. I love them all dearly......each and every one.I also think other breeders who have many more snakes than I do can attest to this as well.:colbert:

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Originally Posted by 4theSNAKElady

I also think other breeders who have many more snakes than I do can attest to this as well.:colbert:

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Adam I know feels this way. To me they are pets..I love them each dearly.

I do know he feels that way. :D I think thats what makes him the great guy and respectable breeder that he is. :rockon: witcha bad self Jedi Wysocki.

Listen you have got to love this animal to be a good breeder. end of story.