I guess I have mites...

we used 1 treatment on the snake and 1 in their house and bam none since.... its been a month and a week.

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Originally Posted by KIBPLOVER

we used 1 treatment on the snake and 1 in their house and bam none since.... its been a month and a week.

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It can take 5-6 weeks for mite egg/larvae to mature into adults, which is the only stage at which you'll detect them. You aren't home free quite yet if its only been a few weeks...

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

How long did you go in between treatments?

Provent-a-Mite is effective for up to 30 days on the substrate which you applied it. My guess is that the PAM immediately killed off any adults that left the snake, and your vet's treatment took care of the mites that were on the body of the snake.

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I got the snake on March 14th and the PAM came soon afterwards, let's say the 19th at the latest... I used it that day but by our vet appointment on March 30th, he was still as I said before covered in mites. That day I went out and bought carpet instead of the substrate I had (per the advice of the vet) and treated it with the vet's product and also wiped the snake down with a paper towel and the chemical... As you were saying to KIBPLOVER, I'm probably not out of the woods yet either with mites, but I don't have anymore showing!

I didn't mean to say that PAM didn't work at all, you're right that it probably did kill a lot of what he had... my only point was that it did not eradicate the problem in one swoop and I had to see the vet...

Oh, and the chemical from the vet: it was Frontline Spray. It is by prescription only, I believe, and it may not be safe for all snakes, but it did work for Nag... He got the slightest dosage on a paper towel and I had to be really good about water changes since he kept soaking with the chemical on him... make sure before you try this remedy that you talk to your vet about the risks vs. the benefits. The petstore he came from used some kind of flea treatment too... an over the counter, but they're the nasty pigs that sent him out the way he was, so I really take their advice with a grain of salt!

well we will tell ya , we are using FRONTLINE spray... and ours have already been back to the vet last monday for the recheck...

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Originally Posted by KIBPLOVER

well we will tell ya , we are using FRONTLINE spray... and ours have already been back to the vet last monday for the recheck...

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All clear? :carrot:

just to follow up before all the bs talk

here is a piece from ask a vet

I went tot his web sit "ask a vet" or something like that and I asked about the frontline. I got an email responde from the and this is what it said:


A visitor to VeterinaryPartner has submitted the following "AskAVet" question to the VPVCat Vet group.





A person I met is using Frontline mite treatment on their ball python.
Is this safe to use? They rub it on it using a paper towel. I know you have to regulate how much you put on a cat or dog how would just spraying on a towel then rubbing it onto a snake be safe?

VPVCat Vet group.

Answer: Frontline is not the same kind of safe product in snakes as it is in dogs and cats. It is certainly used in snakes with specific directions. Your friend should remove the water for 24 hours to keep the snake from soaking in the water and thus contaminating its drinking source. Frontline is certainly not approved for use in reptiles.

AltheaVet

Frontline, the recommended choice is a powerful mite killer and is excellent to clean the viv and surrounding areas, this will kill any roaming mites and all eggs.. it will also provide a residue to help afterwards, however, make sure there is no fumey smell remaining before a snake is placed back in the viv. I personally would recommend only using frontline directly on your snake in a diluted form, as much as 50% if your the paranoid type, but not all people feel this is necessary. One method of applying it is to apply to a cloth and let the snake slither through it in your hand from head to tail, minding that none goes near the eyes or mouth. Also its best to remove the water bowl for a while after application in case the snake goes in the bowl and then drinks some water.

i would just like to point out, that frontline DOES NOT KILL MITE EGGS

should NOT be used on snakes in shed

can cause respiratory distress and damage to snakes if there is inadequate ventilation

water bowls MUST be removed following treatment, frontline is toxic.. if the snake passed through the water, and later drinks it. it may die in agony.

You know, I called my vet after applying it and seeing him go straight for his water, and they said they'd never seen a problem with it, but to be sure and change the water out frequently... their reasoning was that with the quantity used on my tiny snake that it wouldn't likely be immediately toxic... I like the precautionary measure of removing the water better and will do that next time, if there ever is one... and I do hope there is not :D

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Dr. Poutous is our primary....

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Originally Posted by KIBPLOVER

i would just like to point out, that frontline DOES NOT KILL MITE EGGS

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I'm glad that your method of treatment has worked thus far, however, keep an eye out because there may be some eggs or larvae still hanging around.