Non visual super Spider

has anyone ever documented a virgin female bp laying fertile eggs? I know it has occured in other species of snakes and lots of lizards partake in parthenogenesis or are capable of it.
~mike

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Originally Posted by wildlifewarrior

has anyone ever documented a virgin female bp laying fertile eggs? I know it has occured in other species of snakes and lots of lizards partake in parthenogenesis or are capable of it.
~mike

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Um from what I know, snakes needs to breed to lay fertile eggs. only some frogs (learn that from Jurassic Park) and amebas (spelling?) can reproduce with produce their own offspring without contact from another one of their kind.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Is he also breeding them to only virgin females to make sure he isn't getting something else from retained sperm? Does anyone know how long female ball pythons can retain sperm?

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Retained sperm from what... a super spider? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Chase13

yep, homogeneous spider would be a "super spider". takes breeding to prove and that would be really annoying but worth it if you got one. this is how all dominant morphs are i think, but i could be wrong, im a noob :confused:

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It wouldn't be that painful proving out. If you had the means to do the initial spiderxspider breeding, all you would half to do is hold back all the males and breed them all to different virgin females. Or you could do that and also hold the females a couple of years and breed them to different virgin males. None of them have to be normals, either. You can do albino x poss. super spider and if you're lucky you'd end up with all spiders 100% het albino. Or to a super pastel. When you hatch out all bumble bees you've found your super spider. :D And if not, you still have a 50/50 split of bees and pastels, so no harm done.

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

Or you could do that and also hold the females a couple of years and breed them to different virgin males.

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I don't think that it would make a difference whether or not the male was a virgin...

No not at all. I don't know why I wrote that. :oops:

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

No not at all. I don't know why I wrote that. :oops:

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Probably because of all the mentionings of virgin females before it. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.

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Originally Posted by Stuwy

Um from what I know, snakes needs to breed to lay fertile eggs. only some frogs (learn that from Jurassic Park) and amebas (spelling?) can reproduce with produce their own offspring without contact from another one of their kind.

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there was a kamodo (sp) dragon this year that was a virgin that laid fertil eggs. all the babies were female though.

I read about that, but I didn't know they were all female. They are clones of the mother. I know that in plants that have male and females, you can use giberillic acid (GA3 - hormones) on a female plant to force it to grow male flowers, then it can pollinate itself and all the seeds produced are essentially clones of the plant and are all female. Stress can cause this to happen, too.

Here's an excellent post with threads on parthenogenesis.