Who should be punished?

Just today on the news at 12 I heard a attack from a pitbull, it wasn't an attack, the locksmith was trying to get into the house for some sort of bust(not dog related) and the guy sicked the dog on them and it ran at the locksmith and a cop was right behinde and pulled out a gun and shot his own foot, and they take the dog away......I think I shoudl email the news place..

I personally think ANY dog that bites or is uncontrolled should be taken away. (With the exception being trained guard/attack dogs, doing their duty)
However I will point out the reasont hat regulations are coming into effect is that while a chihuahua might bite more often, a chihuahua has never to my knowledge killed a human. Same with most breeds. The large dogs like pitts, rotties, dobermans, they do SO much damage in a bite/attack that they need to be trained MUCH more strictly.
I find it odd that someone felt it neccessary to "Train their dogs to sit still so someone could pet them" when most dogs LIKE to be petted and fussed over. Anyone who allows their dog to run loose and the dog bites anyone, should have that dog removed and be forbidden to have dogs. A dog should NEVER attack a human unles trained to do and TOLD to do so. A "guard" dog doesn't neccesarily rush out and attack someone that enters their territory. There is a massive difference in a dog that barks and MIGHT bite if a intruder comes in, and a dog that attacks viciously ANYONE who enters an area it can get to. If you cannot take your dog on a leash to walk past people without it attempting to bite them, YOUR DOG is uncontrolled and you should work on its training.
To my mind, a unprovoked attack by a dog on a human is grounds for the dog to be put to sleep. I say "unprovoked" because if a dog is kicked or slapped at or has someone waving a stick at it, or has its owner threatened or assaulted, it obviously changes the equation.
A child should never be in danger from a dog.
If you cannot train your "pet" than you shouldn't have it.
NOW: As to large snakes. I'm terribly sorry but a well-fed, well-housed giant python will be almsot as likely to bite and/or injure a human as any. Pythons do not learn to love a human. They are not a pack animal that sees you as another python. The best-cared for giant python could kill a unwary or ignorant person. Its simply the reptiles nature to strike sometimes. I don't believe they are dangerous to intelligent, well-informed owners, but I also do not think that every python that grabs someone and tries to coil them is starved and in poor conditions. Sometimes a snake just bites. My ball pythons sometimes strike out, thinking of food, perhaps they were asleep and startled.. etc. The difference is, that some people won't make that difference that a cornsnake isn't going to injure you, while a fully grown retic just might do you in.
The media is ALL about what sells. You can't trust it, but it seems most of mainstream america will believe whatever they see on tv.
Wolfy

That is one thing that is a problem. Whenever there is a dog attack they instantly label it 'PIT BULL' without checking the facts. I remember at least two instances where they had to come back and admit that it wasn't a pit in the attacks. Once it was a border collie and once was GSD/Lab mix. The presses do the same thing with snakes and pit types. They sensationalize everything to get a response and don't bother checking their facts.

There is a pet store near here. On the door is a sign that says "Pets welcome on leash, MUST muzzle agressive dogs such as pit bulls".
I have no problem with dogs on leashes, I have no real problem with muzzling (though I sure as heck wouldn't take my dog there if she was out here with me) but the fact that they 1. singled the pit types out and 2. helped spread the myth of 'AGGRESSIVE DOGS' is what irks me.
Darn it if someones pit has to be muzzled why doesn't the other lady have to muzzle her Akita? Just not right.
When I was teaching dog obedience I had a lot of the 'scary' dogs. Dobes, Rotts, Staffies... I loved working with them and at our end of training period show a lot of people were concerned about them being there yet every year the majority of people would be shocked at how lovable these breeds were.
The problems caused in my training were mostly by the small breeds. Border Collies, Shelties, Beagles and the dreaded cockers (though I must admit I had some perfect gems in these breeds that I'd LOVE to own). A lab here and there would have issues and I had two dog agressive PTs (pit types) show up on their logger chain leashes dragging their owners everywhere. I told them ditch the 'thug' wear on the dogs and get a real training collar and leash and I'd work with them seperately.
They both left.
One came back the next week with the proper gear. Sad thing is he really thought that pits had to be trained the way he started out...it's nuts. While I couldn't really make his dog truly trustworthy around other dogs (by my opinion and I'm darn picky) at the end of the season he did have all his commands downpat and executed them beautifully.

The dog is what we make it.

I believe there are not that much responsible pet owners.. and think if you are not responsible and love and care Gods creatures I believe that also sumerizes who you are as a person and sorry if this offends I believe all those Haters in the worlds should be put to death, I believe only the good and innocent should live. And if that cannot be accomplished because of Man rules he sets for himself I DO believe ALL exotic pet and all pets in general should banned, and only people who pass a written test after they studied the animal they want should be allowed to keep and/or breed them. Sorry if this opinion of mine offends or upsets but I think it would be for the better of people and animals.

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Originally Posted by Entropy

That is one thing that is a problem. Whenever there is a dog attack they instantly label it 'PIT BULL' without checking the facts. I remember at least two instances where they had to come back and admit that it wasn't a pit in the attacks. Once it was a border collie and once was GSD/Lab mix. The presses do the same thing with snakes and pit types. They sensationalize everything to get a response and don't bother checking their facts.

There is a pet store near here. On the door is a sign that says "Pets welcome on leash, MUST muzzle agressive dogs such as pit bulls".
I have no problem with dogs on leashes, I have no real problem with muzzling (though I sure as heck wouldn't take my dog there if she was out here with me) but the fact that they 1. singled the pit types out and 2. helped spread the myth of 'AGGRESSIVE DOGS' is what irks me.
Darn it if someones pit has to be muzzled why doesn't the other lady have to muzzle her Akita? Just not right.
When I was teaching dog obedience I had a lot of the 'scary' dogs. Dobes, Rotts, Staffies... I loved working with them and at our end of training period show a lot of people were concerned about them being there yet every year the majority of people would be shocked at how lovable these breeds were.
The problems caused in my training were mostly by the small breeds. Border Collies, Shelties, Beagles and the dreaded cockers (though I must admit I had some perfect gems in these breeds that I'd LOVE to own). A lab here and there would have issues and I had two dog agressive PTs (pit types) show up on their logger chain leashes dragging their owners everywhere. I told them ditch the 'thug' wear on the dogs and get a real training collar and leash and I'd work with them seperately.
They both left.
One came back the next week with the proper gear. Sad thing is he really thought that pits had to be trained the way he started out...it's nuts. While I couldn't really make his dog truly trustworthy around other dogs (by my opinion and I'm darn picky) at the end of the season he did have all his commands downpat and executed them beautifully.

The dog is what we make it.

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Bordercollies are hard to train with other dogs/distractions around, I see were you were having trouble!!

Well C&T the problem with that is who is going to decide who is fit to own? You? The guy next door? The government? (excuse me while I laugh a bit).
There are a lot of problems, but the moment we give even more control to legislation where does that leave us? Our rights slowly being eaten away.
There is no real answer for this, WE need to regulate ourselves and not always expect someone else to do it for us.
There is a huge debate on some of the horse boards I frequent as to whether breeding stock should be subjected to certain qualifications and breeders have to pass a certain criteria.
Sure, this sounds all peachy due to the current overbreeding problem but once again who is to decide all this? Who should we give our rights to?

Sorry, I do not support your idea. It sounds positive in theory but the more you think about it the more you realize how much you'd be giving up and I personally am not prepared to do that.

There are quite a few areas trying to implement a spay/neuter plan. While in essense this sounds great and I really tend to support anything that helps with overpopulation (if you'd ever seen a room of dogs waiting to be gassed you would too) it just makes me very uncomfortable that they are trying to take away our choices as owners. However if a few more owners would grab a clue it wouldn't be going this way so...

Justin. Border collies aren't really a problem most of the time. However ALL dogs should be properly socialized and trained well enough to work through a distraction. I do not make excuses based on breed. And the trouble with the ones I mentioned above was that they were agressive towards other dogs and some people which is not in any way shape or form acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Entropy

Justin. Border collies aren't really a problem most of the time. However ALL dogs should be properly socialized and trained well enough to work through a distraction. I do not make excuses based on breed. And the trouble with the ones I mentioned above was that they were agressive towards other dogs and some people which is not in any way shape or form acceptable.

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No excuses, I was just agreeing with you. I had to train my border collie with just me, then I had a ball, then my family, than another dog, and now he will focus on me better than ever. Yes aggression twards other dogs/people is not acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Sinsation

This is a great thread. It goes along the lines of people who say your ball pythons can kill you... Ignorance is bliss.
I see alot of ignorance when it comes to this breed of dog, Standing at my childrens school to pick them up a girl walks up with a beautiful pit mix, and a teacher walks up and informs her that since these dogs are so vicious they are not allowed on the property. Yet two women stood there one with a min pin the other with a chichuaua both barking and growling like crazy, they werent asked to take their dogs off the property. But the pit had never given a tug on her leash much less made a sound. I was truley disgusted.
We recently got a pit/english bulldog/lab mix. He is the sweetest dog. He plays with our children. When he goes outside there are dogs all around us that bark at him like crazy he does his buissness and comes right back in, he never barks back at them. He is about 1 year old and thinks he is still a puppy. When my family heard we got the dog all I heard was he's gonna attack the children how dumb are you and such. They never stop to take into account that these cases where attacks occur are 9 times out of 10 the owners abuse and neglect that caused these actions.
When we take him to our uncles house his Corgy does nothing but raise her lip and snap at him and try to herd him to where she wants him, takes toys and treats from him as well, he has never so much as growled at her. he just walks away like a lil one who had just been chatised by its mother.
Just my :2cent: worth on this matter..

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This is him about 2 weeks after we got him, he stole my resting spot when I was sick, while I was getting some lunch. He's a big momma's boy lol

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Thats a sweet looking "killer" you have there lmao :cool: .

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Originally Posted by stangs13

Just today on the news at 12 I heard a attack from a pitbull, it wasn't an attack, the locksmith was trying to get into the house for some sort of bust(not dog related) and the guy sicked the dog on them and it ran at the locksmith and a cop was right behinde and pulled out a gun and shot his own foot, and they take the dog away......I think I shoudl email the news place..

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Justin,this is a PERFECT example of how the pits are used wrong and all the news cares is a pit was involved nothing else.Thanks for posting it.