Kaplan to give speech on reptiles

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Originally Posted by WTHbbqSnake

Got his back. I thought this was a discussion not a fight. It seems like that everytime someone with a different opinion says something.

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I did not make this comment as a reason to fight i was just kidding with Jas nothing more.

The reason for bans are irresponsible owners and uneducated lawmakers.

Too many thug wannabe's buy snakes (and pit type dogs) trying to be 'cool, hip, intimidating and in' and they are the reason they have such raps. The idiots are the fault NOT the animals.

Entropy: I can agree with what you're saying but also there are animals that are just dangerous and has nothing to do with the humans. I think that is the reason bans are happening more and more. There's going to have to be a compromise between us in this hobby and the lawmakers that get to make all of the decisions about what animals we can and can't keep.


Joepythons: I understand now, Joe. Thanks for clearing that up. In response to your response :eek: I agree that it is never the snakes fault but also know that Human error and Human ignorance will always happen. That's something that will always be there. The only thing we can do about ignorance is teach. But there is nothing we can do about Human error. I think that's just how it is. If you sell a reptile to someone you can't keep tabs on that person to make sure they're treating their animal right. Or if they know what they're doing. That might be why some people are against breeders. I spoke with a lady the other day that was against breeders. Anyway. As for the pitbulls, I don't think you can prove that 0 attacks came from responsible owners. As I said before sometimes things just happen. My cousine has a pitbull and it has escaped once before. Not because he's irresponsible but because the pitbull dug under the fencing and got out. Fortunately noone was harmed because the pit was mild-mannered. I seen somewhere that 1 in 3 dogs escape and run away. Also there are naturally dominant dogs and others that take on the submissive role. The dominant dogs are going to be more aggressive and this is just something nature cooked up to ensure each species survival. Sure a pitbull can be kept and taught to not be aggressive or fearful but this is something that cannot be enforced. There are no laws that require an owner to teach their dog to be a certain way because there are so many different methods of dog training and psycology that views often conflict. Plus the use of guard dogs in various occupations and homes. Cesar Millan has learned to control his dogs and play the dominant role and his dogs respect that. I think we can all achieve this but some people just arn't willing to change.

Sorry I seem to be rambling but sometimes I have to get my thoughts out. I like to look at both sides of any argument.

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Originally Posted by WTHbbqSnake

Entropy: I can agree with what you're saying but also there are animals that are just dangerous and has nothing to do with the humans. I think that is the reason bans are happening more and more. There's going to have to be a compromise between us in this hobby and the lawmakers that get to make all of the decisions about what animals we can and can't keep.

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Personally, I support LESS government in our lives, not more. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by WTHbbqSnake

There's going to have to be a compromise between us in this hobby and the lawmakers that get to make all of the decisions about what animals we can and can't keep.

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In the entire history of the United States there has never been a single compromise between the government and any minority group that has worked out well for the minority ... fight for your rights as an American to keep what you want, where you want!

-adam

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Personally, I support LESS government in our lives, not more. :rolleyes:

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I do as well. I think all of us do. But sometimes that just isn't the case.

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

In the entire history of the United States there has never been a single compromise between the government and any minority group that has worked out well for the minority ... fight for your rights as an American to keep what you want, where you want!

-adam

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I agree with you there, of course. Being an African American. But again, views will conflict. Noone has the right to keep what they want. And I think there should be a line drawn that says what you can and can't keep. I do not want my kids (if I had any) playing in an area where I know someone is keeping a dangerous animal as a pet. I guess you can only know how that feels once an animal has mauled an killed your child or family member.

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Originally Posted by WTHbbqSnake

I do as well. I think all of us do.

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But you contradict yourself in the next quote, you can't have it both ways.

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And I think there should be a line drawn that says what you can and can't keep.

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And who decides that? Lawmakers who are going to listen to the squeekiest wheels, which most likely will be those who are most afraid of all reptiles?

Again - less government, not more.

i dont agree with any legislation that bans any type of reptiles . if you let the government get away with banning one type of animal it just opens the door for them to ban more and more spiecies until we are no longer allowed to keep any . what really needs to be done is to promote education on reptiles and other exotics . there are far less incidents involving reptiles than there are dogs and cats . for every one death from snake bites or constriction there are several dozen caused by dogs . you hear about the ones involving reptiles more because it makes for much more sensational press than a dog killing someone , which in turn sells more newspapers or raises ratings more .

i agree that as tax payers we really need to stand up for our rights to keep whatever animals we want .

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Originally Posted by WTHbbqSnake

I agree with you there, of course. Being an African American.

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What the Hell made you bring that up?!?! You Feel Oppressed or something?