redid the snake room

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Originally Posted by piranhaking

I also see what your saying about people comming across wrong but when comments like "instead of being nice and getting nowhere i get to the point" (not meant to be a direct quote in any way so dont take it to be) are made, it seems to me that the tone that come across is exactly what they meant.

I'll admit i was ranting when i started in this thread, and maybe i should have waited a while before i said anything, but I cant edit that now. I am glad this thread hasnt resorted to negative points like some disagreements lately have, and I applaud all participating for that. I also look forward to hearing back from everone else thats participating in this thread so we can get this settled down to a civil discussion like things should be (aiming that one at myself as much as anything)

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Yeah. its just frustrating when people say that you are wrong and jump on your case with no real explination or support...but the ones that were trying to help me, i totally understand that....i apprecaite the help.

yeah, most definatley...I honestly dont remember what kind of heat pad i am using, but i bought it from the local herp store (im so lucky i have one), and all i remember is it had a picture of a snake on the front of it...ill have to go back to the store and see what brand it was.

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Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake

I guess I am more curious than anything. What type of heat pad are you using?

I could see a heat pad designed specifically for BP's would hit the right temps, but most are universal and allow higher temps (100ish) in order to account for other reptiles.

If the manufacturer says it will stay at 90ish degrees, then that's nifty. If they say it varies, then waiting until you notice a problem could be too late. (IE you measure in the am, for some reason it heats up to its max temp, you check in the pm and the snake has been subjected to super high temps all day).

I think most people are pushing the thermostat/dimmer so hard because we all would rather err on the side of caution, rather than trusting a mass produced item that can fail. (note the irony, because the thermostat can fail too :)

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nice pics

i have a question about the hides, is it absoultely necessary to have two hides.

i know that having two identical hides maximizes the potential for the snake to feel secure enough to eat etc. but i've seen breeders have zero hides in some tubs (i do reccomend at least one hide), and then one in some tubs...so is two absolutely neccessary?

i would suggest a dimmer of some sort at least.. i wouldnt trust my a UTH without any dimmer/thermostat

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Originally Posted by Kizerk

nice pics

i have a question about the hides, is it absoultely necessary to have two hides.

i know that having two identical hides maximizes the potential for the snake to feel secure enough to eat etc. but i've seen breeders have zero hides in some tubs (i do reccomend at least one hide), and then one in some tubs...so is two absolutely neccessary?

i would suggest a dimmer of some sort at least.. i wouldnt trust my a UTH without any dimmer/thermostat

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Two hides = a snake doesnt have to choose.

Do I want to be secure, or do I want to thermoregulate.

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Do I want to be secure, or do I want to thermoregulate.

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what?

the snake will have to thermoregulate regardless of how many hides, do you mean, do they want to feel more secure when thermoregulating?

I also have a question, kinda branches from Kizerks. From what i've read balls live in termite mounds in very cramped closed quarters, so i see why hides are such a big issue with them. Are all snakes that particular about them? Also, in my case I was using a metal shelf/cart on wheels, and the shelves the tanks were on were pretty thin, so i may have been losing some heat out the bottom. That may be why mine worked as they did. I dont remember brand either, but ill post it tomorrow if i can remember to look.

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Originally Posted by Kizerk

what?

the snake will have to thermoregulate regardless of how many hides, do you mean, do they want to feel more secure when thermoregulating?

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I am cold, I want to warm up, but my hide is only on the cold side. I have a choice, I can move to the warm side, and feel unsecure, or I can stay on the cold side in my hide and feel secure but be cold :(.


Hence 2 hides, one on warm one on cold, so the snake doesnt have to choose between being at a proper temperature, and feeling secure.

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I am cold, I want to warm up, but my hide is only on the cold side. I have a choice, I can move to the warm side, and feel unsecure, or I can stay on the cold side in my hide and feel secure but be cold .


Hence 2 hides, one on warm one on cold, so the snake doesnt have to choose between being at a proper temperature, and feeling secure.

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gotcha :) i do have one snake that is like that, she gets two hides

As far as no hides?

If you have a big snake in a small tub, in a dark rack, and they eat regularly and don't seem stressed, that could be a situation where they dont "need" a hide.

I have some snakes, that I provide hides for, who Ive never seen use them. Others live in their hides practically.

They just need two hides, period. If there are breeders out there with one hide, or none, it is probably because the tubs they use are small and almost act like hides themselves, being cozy and smaller; I guess..
As for not putting a dimmer on your UTH.. prepare for meltdown!