One dead another dying HELP!!!

I'm very sorry to hear about your loss I know you must be devastated. To everyone reading this thread this is an example , read up on and be carefull with all chemical's used in the home and on your collection's.

Although it may very well be this homebrew pesticide that have caused this , are you sure that these balls havnt got ibd? you said that these two are from the same breeder i dont want to worry you even more but if it is ibd then its usally fatal and afaik it affect there nervous system
heres some systoms of ibd ive found at another site :-

Signs of infection in boids include central nervous system disorders such as paralysis, being unable to right itself when turned over, "star-gazing", inability to strike or constrict. Other signs include chronic regurgitation, extreme weight loss, respiratory infections, and dysecdysis due to the inability to control body movements enough to rub off the old skin. The disease is rapidly fatal in young and juvenile boas, typified by rapid onset of flaccid paralysis.

I really hope it isnt this virus , and hopefully im totally way off on this but if i were id get your bp to a vet asap

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Originally Posted by joepythons

I do not think its legal for him to make and sale his home remedy crap.

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i doubt it is as it wouldnt be allowed over here

Again, I truly appreciate everyones replies. Kahne, the het male is doing better. He is moving around his enclosure, flicking his tongue and has drank a bit more.
As for IBD, I don't think that is it, neither snake showed any signs of illness before being treated and with Kahne acting better, I am almost positive it was the spray. I have talked to the owner of the store, he says the stuff is safe, uses it all the time. Talked to the breeder as well and none of his snakes are ill. I am going to have a necropsy done just to be safe.

well if its drinking and looking better i doubt its ibd either then which is cool :) hope he makes a full recovery :) and a necropsy is a good idea mate :)

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Originally Posted by catawhat75

I am going to have a necropsy done just to be safe.

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did you freeze the snake?, i was told by a good reptile vet not to freeze if you are going to get it necro'd since freezing will ruin the cells and would not be able to get an acurate determination. i personally would challange the guy you purchased it from, if you have more of the same stuff, i would see if he would be willing to let you show him exactly what you did and use the stuff you purchased on some of his snakes, he may have messed the mix up ???? just my thoughts. i am sorry for the loss of one of your snakes, but i am glad the other seems to be getting better. i would still have it checked out by a vet though.

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Originally Posted by jcaustralia

did you freeze the snake?, i was told by a good reptile vet not to freeze if you are going to get it necro'd since freezing will ruin the cells and would not be able to get an acurate determination. i personally would challange the guy you purchased it from, if you have more of the same stuff, i would see if he would be willing to let you show him exactly what you did and use the stuff you purchased on some of his snakes, he may have messed the mix up ???? just my thoughts. i am sorry for the loss of one of your snakes, but i am glad the other seems to be getting better. i would still have it checked out by a vet though.

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I wouldn't have him try it out on his own snakes, One snake has already passed why risk more??? I don't see a sence in that...

I am terribly sorry about your loss.. I would make sure it was from the mite stuff and if it was I would take proper action in making sure it is not sold to anyone else....

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Originally Posted by Byte

I wouldn't have him try it out on his own snakes, One snake has already passed why risk more??? I don't see a sence in that...

I am terribly sorry about your loss.. I would make sure it was from the mite stuff and if it was I would take proper action in making sure it is not sold to anyone else....

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well the reason, not to be mean about it, the guy is swearing it was not his stuff, thus saying he is not liable, for him to even sell the stuff without epa aprovial i would strongly assume is illegal. it may have only been the batch he sold to her that was bad and may or may not have caused the loss of her snake. but if it was his stuff that caused the loss he should be liable for it. if he is not willing to risk one of his snakes then he should discontinue the sale of this stuff to the general puplic. that is what i ment.

I work at a veterinary ER, and we see permethrin/pyrethrin poisoning in cats quite commonly among people using the cheap Hartz/Biospot/Zodiac junk.

It's common for some cats in the household to be affected but not others, and we don't necessarily know why. It could be that some ingested what is meant to be a topical product, despite the instructions to apply it where they can't groom.

Either way, it's horribly nasty stuff and not something I'd ever apply directly to any animal I owned. I got lucky and learned from watching the devastation caused to other people's pets, rather than my own.

I never thought about it working on snakes, but it sounds like it causes the same thing in them as it does in cats and dogs. For those animals, we treat them with supportive care and wait to see if they come out of it. Some live, some die, some are left permanently neurologic. I am so sorry for the loss of your pastel, and I truly hope that your het recovers fully.

As far as a necropsy goes, I don't think there will be any gross pathology that can detect the damage; there may be a tissue or blood test for the concentrations of pyrethrins.

I am really sorry for your loss; hoping that your other one pulls through. I am sorry I have nthing really helpful to add; I would go to this guy and tell him he needs to refund you for your losses though. I don't see anything you did wrong here.