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  • 09-20-2006, 11:43 PM
    Emilio
    Re: Vanilla extract
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheAudOne
    emilio where are you in Fl?

    Miami Lakes:colbert2:
  • 09-21-2006, 12:01 AM
    TheAudOne
    Re: Vanilla extract
    I'm on the other coast....we moved from Boca Raton to here....oh how I miss it over there.
  • 09-21-2006, 06:31 AM
    Bdadawg
    Re: Vanilla extract
    Vanilla extract ... about one teaspoon per 8 ozs will cut the smell. I've done pretty extensive testing with additives to the water to cut the smell. Vanilla will cut the smell ... however ... ive found that they end up drinking more water when it is added. More vanilla water equals more urine and feces. Something I remember from school is that they body processes plain water differently than any other liquid (this includes flavored water). Its kinda like trying to slake your thirst with soda ... and you still end up having to drink water anyhow. Vinegar didnt have any appreciable difference with smell.

    There is nothing wrong with housing rodents on pine IF it is a high quality pine. None of this $5 walmart stuff unless you are willing to sift it manually before using it. You want a pine that has been sifted multiple times and has been kiln dried. Look for a high grade pine that is designed to be used for horses (horses get RI's easily also). Average flake should be dime sized or larger.

    Most dog food shouldnt even be fed to dogs ... it will keep them alive but thats about it. I have used Nutro Natural for Seniors with good results (this is what I feed my dog). The number one way to cut the smell, as mentioned, is good food and water. Alot of breeders swear by Mazuri ... Its a good food but I'm not a fan of it. Rodents cannot process corn or alfalfa ... most dog foods contain one or both of them (as does Mazuri). Unusable food is going to be discarded as feces. My personal preference is for Harlan 2018. This is the food I model my lab block after. Ive found 18-19% and 7-10% fat is best for rats. 16% protein and 5% fat is best for mice. Becky's mix is a good diet for someone breeding rodents as pets or for a small collection. I used a recipe similiar to that when I first started out.

    The last thing that affects smell is their caging ... If using fish tanks you will need to make sure there is great air flow (fish tanks are designed to hold liquids, ammonia, and to have poor air exchange to reduce evaporation). While some people say you can go 2 weeks between cleanings I suggest at least weekly bedding changes ... even more often if in areas with high humidity.

    Like the other Bryan I've housed hundreds of rats and mice in my house ... My wife hated the smell so I did alot of experimenting. Above is the results of those experiments.

    Bryan
  • 09-21-2006, 09:49 AM
    cassandra
    Re: Vanilla extract
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SatanicIntention
    ...but females don't smell like anything to me(bedding maybe, and fried chicken occassionally)...

    Teehee! Meaty bones is yummy nibbles!
  • 09-21-2006, 11:31 AM
    Emilio
    Re: Vanilla extract
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bdadawg
    Vanilla extract ... about one teaspoon per 8 ozs will cut the smell. I've done pretty extensive testing with additives to the water to cut the smell. Vanilla will cut the smell ... however ... ive found that they end up drinking more water when it is added. More vanilla water equals more urine and feces. Something I remember from school is that they body processes plain water differently than any other liquid (this includes flavored water). Its kinda like trying to slake your thirst with soda ... and you still end up having to drink water anyhow. Vinegar didnt have any appreciable difference with smell.

    There is nothing wrong with housing rodents on pine IF it is a high quality pine. None of this $5 walmart stuff unless you are willing to sift it manually before using it. You want a pine that has been sifted multiple times and has been kiln dried. Look for a high grade pine that is designed to be used for horses (horses get RI's easily also). Average flake should be dime sized or larger.

    Most dog food shouldnt even be fed to dogs ... it will keep them alive but thats about it. I have used Nutro Natural for Seniors with good results (this is what I feed my dog). The number one way to cut the smell, as mentioned, is good food and water. Alot of breeders swear by Mazuri ... Its a good food but I'm not a fan of it. Rodents cannot process corn or alfalfa ... most dog foods contain one or both of them (as does Mazuri). Unusable food is going to be discarded as feces. My personal preference is for Harlan 2018. This is the food I model my lab block after. Ive found 18-19% and 7-10% fat is best for rats. 16% protein and 5% fat is best for mice. Becky's mix is a good diet for someone breeding rodents as pets or for a small collection. I used a recipe similiar to that when I first started out.

    The last thing that affects smell is their caging ... If using fish tanks you will need to make sure there is great air flow (fish tanks are designed to hold liquids, ammonia, and to have poor air exchange to reduce evaporation). While some people say you can go 2 weeks between cleanings I suggest at least weekly bedding changes ... even more often if in areas with high humidity.

    Like the other Bryan I've housed hundreds of rats and mice in my house ... My wife hated the smell so I did alot of experimenting. Above is the results of those experiments.

    Bryan

    Thanks for the info I already got the vanilla now I'm going to switch dog foods. I'm also going to look for a lab block supplement.
  • 09-28-2006, 08:07 AM
    lord jackel
    Re: Vanilla extract
    Has anyone tried a product like this

    "Marshall Pet Bi-Odor Ferret Waste Deodorizer"

    http://www.petco.com/Shop/petco_Product_Nav_248_sku_161926_R_8163_enemerch_1.aspx?cm_re=248-_-FeaturedProductListVertical1-_-161926



    Seems like is would be a good product to reduce the smell...but since Ferrets were never intended to be fed to anything I don't know if it would be safe for feeders?
  • 10-08-2006, 06:23 PM
    Emilio
    Re: Vanilla extract
    Just wanted to note on the thread that the vanilla has worked and the smell has gone down considerably. One more thing I'm doing is useing a little bit of baking soda under the aspen and it seem's to be working also.
  • 10-08-2006, 06:26 PM
    stangs13
    Re: Vanilla extract
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Emilio
    Just wanted to note on the thread that the vanilla has worked and the smell has gone down considerably. One more thing I'm doing is useing a little bit of baking soda under the aspen and it seem's to be working also.

    Dont put tooooooo much baking soda down there!! It could get pretty dusty! LOL! Where did you put your VE in? a seprate bowl or a few drops in the water?
  • 10-08-2006, 06:28 PM
    Emilio
    Re: Vanilla extract
    A few drop's in the water , and yes I put only a little trust me I'm super careful with my rat's I treat them real good.
  • 10-08-2006, 06:32 PM
    stangs13
    Re: Vanilla extract
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Emilio
    A few drop's in the water , and yes I put only a little trust me I'm super careful with my rat's I treat them real good.

    GOOD!

    :gj:
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