Re: Ball python cannibalism
It's an unfortunate reality that the welfare of animals will suffer on part of the ignorance of their keepers.
Re: Ball python cannibalism
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Originally Posted by elevatethis
It's an unfortunate reality that the welfare of animals will suffer on part of the ignorance of their keepers.
Ignorance I can deal with - but stupidity, I can't.
Ignorance is not having all the information and not knowing any better.
Stupidity is having the information and choosing to continue to do it, despite the animals' best interest.
Re: Ball python cannibalism
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Originally Posted by elevatethis
What more proof do you want? Here's a pictures of two snakes that were obviously being housed together and one decided to eat the other one. Even if the chances are 1 in a million of this happening, anyone who gives two flips about the welfare of their animals would be convinced that housing them together is not worth it.
Do you happen to house any of your snakes together????
Well they could've been hungry Look at the bp's stomach only fill with the snake and no mouse or anything. So I just wanted to see if it was caused by stress and not hunger.
Re: Ball python cannibalism
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Originally Posted by Sapphire7
Well they could've been hungry Look at the bp's stomach only fill with the snake and no mouse or anything. So I just wanted to see if it was caused by stress and not hunger.
Question asked and answered. It was not caused by hunger.
Re: Ball python cannibalism
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Originally Posted by rabernet
Rant on
It amazes me the people that dismiss the experience of long time keepers and still insist on housing together because their snakes are the exception and "love" each other and cuddle. Boggles the mind. Even AFTER seeing the pictures like above and they still think they know better than all the combined experience out there.
Rant off
I never said anything of the like. I just wanted proof. It looks like the snake seemed to be hungry. And ONLY wanted to know if they were full when the Bp killed and ate another Bp.... People always have a way to twist words of others:(
Re: Ball python cannibalism
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Originally Posted by jglass38
Question asked and answered. It was not caused by hunger.
But how do you know? The snakes stomach looks empty. :confused: Oh well. Im not in a mood for debating:confused:
Re: Ball python cannibalism
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Originally Posted by Sapphire7
I never said anything of the like. I just wanted proof. It looks like the snake seemed to be hungry. And ONLY wanted to know if they were full when the Bp killed and ate another Bp.... People always have a way to twist words of others:(
I wasn't replying to you in my rant. I'm replying in general to all the people who insist on housing together, when 100's of years of experience (combined) tell you that it should never be done.
One of the more experienced keepers on this forum (Adam) has answered your questions - that cannibalism has nothing to do with hunger, and everything to do with dominance. I'm not understanding why you still think it's hunger?
Re: Ball python cannibalism
When Ball pythons are taken from the wild I read that they can be found together in a hole. And so Im only trying to get more educated than I already am. And I like to have a further understanding about these snakes.:)
Re: Ball python cannibalism
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Originally Posted by Sapphire7
But how do you know? The snakes stomach looks empty. :confused: Oh well. Im not in a mood for debating:confused:
Have you ever personally experienced a necropsy on a ball python, or any other animal for that matter? How would you know what an empty stomach looks like?
Re: Ball python cannibalism
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Originally Posted by rabernet
One of the more experienced keepers on this forum (Adam) has answered your questions - that cannibalism has nothing to do with hunger, and everything to do with dominance. I'm not understanding why you still think it's hunger?
Yes but I just want to know if the snakes were full. Has anyone ever had a problem if there snakes are full? Snakes are found together in the wild in Africa when they are imported over here and I am not sure if they eat eachother in the wild. But then again in the wild they can leave the hole they were in with the other Bp's and find their own little area of the woods. And I never will house my snakes together. I dont think I have a big enough enclosure to house 1 retic, 1 rtb, 1 bp, and one 1 corn snake. And if I did I wouldnt anyway because I think we all diserve our own bedrooms. And I remember when my kids were growing up they'd fight eachother and it reminds me how snakes react (without actual killing)
