Mojave prices

There has been a lot of debate on the investment potential of co-doms and doms. I think it's more than just that, though. Spiders have held their price relatively well for being doms because they make such cool combos and have been in demand for a while, but sooner or later they supply will catch up because they are relatively easy to produce. Mojaves and Lessers have plummeted for different reasons, though. (Not just MKR) There are a LOT of snakes out there that can produce white snakes, and I'm not just talking about Leucistics. I think Leucistics will probably be one of THE most sought after snakes that people want in their collection, but if so many snakes produce them they will easily meet demand.

Personally, I think Yellowbellies are one co-dom that is underpriced for what they can produce and cinnamons are also another co-dom that may hold its value because they can produce an all black snake and don't seem to be as abundant as the white-snake makers. Anyway, enough of my rambling. Just giving my :2cent:

[QUOTE=jbkd]The funny thing I see about spiders is, they are sooooo easy to produce. I know in our area of 3 folks they have had them for a few months and have not sold one! They range from $900 - 1500. One guy I talked to this past week was hoping they would be the 'hot thing' down in Daytona, as he has about 15 of them and nothing else. He already sold-out of his normals.
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I plan/hope to pick one up in Daytona for $800-$900.

I was chatting with this guy last week about Spiders. He bought his original Spider for $10,000 two yrs ago and was ready to kill himself as he watched prices drop to $5000 by the time he had eggs!! He produced 4 clutches consisting of 12 Spiders in all. He kept 2 males and 3 females and pocketed about $29,000 from the Spiders he sold! Needless to say, he stopped worrying about the market drop...:)

Who's MKR, can't think of who it is.

Morph king reptiles.

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Personally, I think Yellowbellies are one co-dom that is underpriced for what they can produce and cinnamons are also another co-dom that may hold its value because they can produce an all black snake and don't seem to be as abundant as the white-snake makers. Anyway, enough of my rambling. Just giving my :2cent:

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Are you talking about the super cinnamon? Which is a near black animal, not really black. I'd love to see a jet black ball with a white belly..... that would cool!

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Originally Posted by bpkid

Why are low prices so bad though? If we buy from reputable breeders selling them at low prices, it would be a good thing.

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Low prices are a great way to get more people (ie customers$$$) interested in the Ball Python hobby. More people (ie customers$$$) equals more sales. More sales equals more $$$. The price drops everyone is flipping out about are only going to hurt those who were so naive they thought they could get rich doing this...Reality has a knack for *&#$% slapping the clueless...

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Originally Posted by sho220

Low prices are a great way to get more people (ie customers$$$) interested in the Ball Python hobby. More people (ie customers$$$) equals more sales. More sales equals more $$$. The price drops everyone is flipping out about are only going to hurt those who were so naive they thought they could get rich doing this...Reality has a knack for *&#$% slapping the clueless...

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Or, Low prices means that other people(sellers) are going to drop theirs(prices) down in fear that no one will buy the animals they've invested in(because they're going to the person with the lowest prices). Its not actually people freaking out because they were 'naive' and thought they could get 'rich' its people upset that others could flounder an investment over stupid business practices. That's what gets some people upset that others are under cutting them which is poor business and correct me if im wrong- illegal in some forms of practice.

Let's look at this another way...I've seen on various message boards these animals MKR sold as being labled "malnourished", "sickly", and "sterile". So what they actually did was screw a bunch of people by selling them overpriced animals. Those bastards!!!

What would everyone think if Pete Khal or RD or NERD priced their Pieds for $2500 next year?

Would we still see this anger/panic from the BP community?
Would everyone call them scammers all of a sudden?
Would the BP community accuse them of dumping or praise them?
Would the public bash and ban them or rush to buy a few Pieds for $2500?
Would it be perceived as a good thing or bad?

Just curious...

Co-doms are easy to produce and anyone with a few normal females and half a brain can create a ready supply of them for the market. Naturally, you'd expect prices to fall faster than recessives.

I look at it like this: there's some awesome co-dom and co-dom/recessive combos out there and I think that co-doms morphs like pastel, spider, yb, mojave, etc, are going to be priced at points similar to and essentially behave like recessive hets in the market, since they are necessary ingredients to producing another, desired morph. For example, you want an albino, you at very least need two het albino animals. You want a bumblebee, you need at very least a pastel and a spider. Make sense? Hets for some recessive traits (albino, hypo, etc) have not fluctuated too much in recent years, hanging out around 750-1000 for a pair for as long as I've been around, albeit a relatively short time. Given the possibilities of crosses to create with co-doms will add value to them, one might expect them to behave in a similar way.