"Pest Strips"

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

the problem is that the vapors that they give off are VERY STRONG and if you don't know exactly how big of a piece you can get away with for a given size enclosure, you can cause neurological damage or even death ... babies are especially vulnerable.

The good news is that now that we have Provent -a- Mite, the days of the "No Pest" pest strips are long gone. :sweeet:

-adam

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as pov is illegal in ny, perhaps strips are still a way to go for some people. do you know exactly how big of a piece you can get away with for given size enclosure? that information would be very helpful.

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Originally Posted by Ben Biscy

as pov is illegal in ny, perhaps strips are still a way to go for some people. do you know exactly how big of a piece you can get away with for given size enclosure? that information would be very helpful.

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What are you reffering to by POV in the above statement. Is PAM illeagal, permetherin illeagal, or aerosols illeageal? I only ask, because if it is PAM or aerosols, you can obtain liquid Permetherin, dilute it in water, and use it in a pump sprayer. I do know of some people that have done this, and say it is pretty good, but not as effective as PAM.

Hope that helps,

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Originally Posted by muddoc

What are you reffering to by POV in the above statement. Is PAM illeagal, permetherin illeagal, or aerosols illeageal? I only ask, because if it is PAM or aerosols, you can obtain liquid Permetherin, dilute it in water, and use it in a pump sprayer. I do know of some people that have done this, and say it is pretty good, but not as effective as PAM.

Hope that helps,

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i think it's the permethrin, and sorry, that was a typing slur (PAM, not pov).

there is another thread about it...

i'm specifically looking for information on the pest strips. i know they used to be used, but how large to cut the pieces i have no idea. i do know that too much can kill, so i'd like to hear from people who have used them for years (as mentioned by others in different posts and threads).

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Originally Posted by Ben Biscy

i think it's the permethrin, and sorry, that was a typing slur (PAM, not pov).

there is another thread about it...

i'm specifically looking for information on the pest strips. i know they used to be used, but how large to cut the pieces i have no idea. i do know that too much can kill, so i'd like to hear from people who have used them for years (as mentioned by others in different posts and threads).

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I have used the No Pest strips years ago. However, I never did break off pieces and place them in the enclosure. We just put the whole strip on a shelf in the snake room, and let it work like that. With that said, I never did use it in the treatment of mites, but did attempt to kill some rodent lice with it. It did not work. What it did do was kill every roack, cricket, spider and insect in the room for many months.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Before the advent of P.A.M there were a number of home remedies used against mites. I've used Vapona (no-pest-strip) before and Sevin dust. The no-pest-strip is a yellow plastic/gelatin like substance that's impregnated with the pesticide. In this state you can't get it anymore for home use, however you can find it in farm supply stores for use in your barn. What we would do would be to cut a 1 inch square off of the strip and put it inside a plastic film canister that had been drilled full of small holes and place the canister in your cage for a few days, the problem with this stuff is that it's so strong that you don't want to leave it in with your snakes longer then a couple of days, then in a week or so put it in for a couple of more days. It kills the mites that are in the cage but not the eggs. (I don't think anything kills mite eggs)

Another product I used was called sevin dust. This is a horticultural product designed to kill plant mites. You'd put a bunch of the dust into a sock and tie it up. Then pat the sock around your cage so that the dust came out and covered the surfaces, the mites would crawl through the dust, become desiccated and die. This was generally safer to use then the no-pest-strips but it was more labor intensive. You had to scrub everything down and re-apply every week.

Remember, these are POISONS. And YES they can be dangerous to use and you can kill your snakes if you over do it. Even with PAM.. (I've done it)

The problem with these home remedy's is that they don't last long and you have to keep re-applying them. The major advantage of PAM is that it lasts so dang long. I've had crickets die in a container that I had sprayed with PAM several months before. Like I said, nothing kills mite eggs. You have to wait for the eggs to hatch and then kill the baby mites. The problem with this is that the eggs can take weeks or even months to hatch. It's just a lot easier to apply PAM once rather then keep re-applying the other stuff every week for a couple of months.

Mark,
I am sure you have seen this before, but if not, it is a good read. This is a link to the Barker's write up on Mite History.
http://www.vpi.com/publications/the_...of_snake_mites

As stated in the reading, mite eggs usually hatch in 1 to 4 days. That is the reason PAM is so effective. It kills mites for up to 30 days. Therefore, you should be able to make it through one full life cycle before it wears off. However, just in case you didn't get everything killed, the can tells you to reapply 30 days after the original treatment.

Just some extra info,

thanks for the info guys! :)

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Originally Posted by muddoc

I have used the No Pest strips years ago. However, I never did break off pieces and place them in the enclosure. We just put the whole strip on a shelf in the snake room, and let it work like that. With that said, I never did use it in the treatment of mites, but did attempt to kill some rodent lice with it. It did not work. What it did do was kill every roack, cricket, spider and insect in the room for many months.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

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i have a roach issue,,actually my entire neighborhood does,but guess what room in my house they happen to love,,would stickin a couple of these in my room,,help with this issue??

just read more on the hotshot website,and since its a vapor,sliding on between tubs on my rack,,wouldnt be a good idea,so maybe breaking it into pieces 1/8th of it,and one piece on the lower level where the issue is more promiment?

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Originally Posted by RebelYell83

i have a roach issue,,actually my entire neighborhood does,but guess what room in my house they happen to love,,would stickin a couple of these in my room,,help with this issue??

just read more on the hotshot website,and since its a vapor,sliding on between tubs on my rack,,wouldnt be a good idea,so maybe breaking it into pieces 1/8th of it,and one piece on the lower level where the issue is more promiment?

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I guess you could try it. The strips opnly last about 4 months, and then they are worn out.

As for cockroach control, we now utilize Tokay Geckos. I have two of them that run loose in my Ball Python building. They are so good at roach control, I have to suppliment them with crtickets, or they would starve. I have seen 1 roach in my room in the last 15 months since I let the geckos go.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

Mark,
I am sure you have seen this before, but if not, it is a good read. This is a link to the Barker's write up on Mite History.
http://www.vpi.com/publications/the_...of_snake_mites

As stated in the reading, mite eggs usually hatch in 1 to 4 days. That is the reason PAM is so effective. It kills mites for up to 30 days. Therefore, you should be able to make it through one full life cycle before it wears off. However, just in case you didn't get everything killed, the can tells you to reapply 30 days after the original treatment.

Just some extra info,

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Yeah Tim, I've read that before and I gotta admit that it has always had me a bit confused. I've often wondered if maybe there isn't a typo in there somewhere maybe even in their original research material? I've often wondered if they didn't mean 1-4 WEEKS instead of 1-4 DAYS. I know I've read other material (which unfortunately I can no longer find) that stated that mite eggs can take up to 6 weeks to hatch depending on surrounding temperatures. If mite eggs typically only took 1-4 days to hatch, you wouldn't have so many people (myself included) who had to battle a re-infestation a month or two after their original problem. Of course with the advent of products like P.A.M it kind of makes the whole argument moot because one treatment lasts such a long time. Now you really CAN get rid of a mite infestation in one treatment whereas in the olden days (hehe, I sound like some kind of grandpa) You had to keep retreating every week for months in order to make sure you were mite free.