Angolan Ball Python?

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Originally Posted by jessie_k_pythons

humans highbridize every day. black with white, asian with mexican and so on and so forth.

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WOW!

-adam

different races are not different species!



vaughn

Here is a refresher from wikipedia.org.

* Kingdom: Animalia (with eukaryotic cells having cell membrane but lacking cell wall, multicellular, heterotrophic)
* Phylum: Chordata (all animals with a notochord)
* Class: Mammalia (vertebrates with mammary glands that in females secrete milk to nourish young, hair, warm-blooded, bears live young)
* Order: Primates (collar bone, eyes face forward, grasping hands with fingers, two types of teeth: incisors and molars)
* Family: Hominidae (upright posture, large brain, stereoscopic vision, flat face, hands and feet have different specializations)
* Genus: Homo (s-curved spine, "man")
* Species: Homo sapiens (high forehead, well-developed chin, skull bones thin)

As you can see we are all in the same species :)

I think i put it into context that I didnt mean. Sub species is more or less what i ment. each accuring naturaly but in different places of the world. take Finches. there are so many of them in the world but the sub species breed with one another creating a Highbrid. the latest of this is in Arizona between the Lesser Gold Finch and the American Gold finch. both look simular have the same genus but are sub species. they made a larger finch with Olive green wings and the same golden apparance(sp?). like it's American Gold finch parent it has the dark cap on the head but it is not as defined. it eyes are more "cat eyed" unlike it's black eyed parents. This new sub species/highbrid is breeding and making it's self more known around bird feeders all over the US and mexico.

True highbridizing (if i'm wrong please correct me) is when to compleatly different genuses creat a brand new genus? That was what I was told, i want to know if this is true, but I have also heard of what I was told to be Lesser Highbrids. or sub species highbrids.
I could be totaly wrong.

shouldnt have used humans for the highbrid thing and I'm truly sorry. pease foregive me ... and I feel as if I have gotten off track as to what the subject of this thread was about.

If it can be done, it cannot be stopped. Personally, I hope that the hybrids remain at high prices, so that they do not fully contaminate the gene pool of BPs (then again, it is hard to imagine this happening.. but isn't there a problem with this in the boa-breeding world? I admit I am not that educated regarding that..) Personally, if hybrid breeding is done on a small scale, responsibly, I see no harm.
Humans have already made irremovable alterations to the life forms on this planet. To yell and holler regarding python hybrids in captivity seems useless to me; might as well tell people not to breed mules.

I would have to agree. I my self do not plan to haveHybrida (thanks for the spelling Gin) untill I under stand them more and I would only have them for my personal collection, not for sale.

*sigh* I hate this topic. Before anyone gets into "playing God" mode, hybrids occur naturally quite often, including, hybrids between animals of two different Genus.

I find it especially annoying when this argument comes up and it's designer morph breeders that are claiming that this is some "unnatural evil." Do you realize the majority of us have seen, appreciated, wanted or currently own ball python morphs that have NEVER occurred naturally? I can't stand it when people have this ambiguous line that is drawn somewhere (oh if they are of a different species it's not okay... because I'm sure we all own dogs of a pure bred lineage :p).

As for poluting the gene pool, I don't see that happening. Angolan Balls will have their place, just as burmese, boas, corn snakes and many other snakes manage to thrive in captivity without disappearing. If anything, it will open up a whole new market for AB morphs... and that's okay with me.

what hybrids are crossed betweens two different genuses that occur in the wild?

races aren't subspecies either jessie.;) i know what you mean though.

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Originally Posted by jhall1468

*sigh* I hate this topic. Before anyone gets into "playing God" mode, hybrids occur naturally quite often, including, hybrids between animals of two different Genus.

I find it especially annoying when this argument comes up and it's designer morph breeders that are claiming that this is some "unnatural evil." Do you realize the majority of us have seen, appreciated, wanted or currently own ball python morphs that have NEVER occurred naturally? I can't stand it when people have this ambiguous line that is drawn somewhere (oh if they are of a different species it's not okay... because I'm sure we all own dogs of a pure bred lineage :p).

As for poluting the gene pool, I don't see that happening. Angolan Balls will have their place, just as burmese, boas, corn snakes and many other snakes manage to thrive in captivity without disappearing. If anything, it will open up a whole new market for AB morphs... and that's okay with me.

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I find the AB to be the 2nd most beautiful Ball i have seen yet. so now that i have rubed you alls scales the wrong way (LOL) I think we should close this thread and start one on "how to disect a Barbie, (what you should know about your plastic friend)" LOL j/k.... Im in an odd mood tonight,,, bear with me here :rolleye2: :imslow:

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

WOW!

-adam

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wow what?