Re: What RTB should I choose?
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Originally Posted by Jeanne
Incorrect info here... a dumerils IS a boa. It is in the boa constrictor family, they are commonly known as dumerils ground boas. They come from Madagascar.
Nope, a Dumerils is not a boa constrictor. It is in the subfamily of Boinae, but it is not in the genus of Boa nor the species of Boa Constrictor. It has its own genus of Acrantophis.
http://www.embl-heidelberg.de/~uetz/...es/Boidae.html
Re: What RTB should I choose?
Yes as I responded to your PM Jeanne.. a dumerils is not a boa constrictor although of course it IS a boa, and a constrictor. acrantophis dumerili is an old world boa constrictor, and not a new world boa constrictor proper.
Re: What RTB should I choose?
Hehe - this thread is getting TECHNICAL!! :D
Anyway - I've been making tentative enquiries about the various types of snake I'm interested in and a boa breeder has gotten back to me regarding a Colombian and asking if I want a BCI or a BCC? :confused: I'm probably wrong but I thought that a particular species could only be either a BCI or a BCC ... which Make/Model should I ask for :confuzd:
Re: What RTB should I choose?
Then why is it lumped in as [Common Group: Boa Constrictors]? I would think that the labeling of this snake would be different since it is "not a boa constrictor".
Then again, I guess it all leads back to another species that is referred to as a boa, a sand boa, yet it is not a true boa, it is a colubrid right? So in effect, would this make a dumerils not a true boa?
There are a few species even I have run across that I have to question the labeling due to confusions like this.
Re: What RTB should I choose?
Go here:
http://www.boa-constrictors.com/com/com.html
That should give you the info you are looking for.
Re: What RTB should I choose?
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Originally Posted by Razaiel
Hehe - this thread is getting TECHNICAL!! :D
Anyway - I've been making tentative enquiries about the various types of snake I'm interested in and a boa breeder has gotten back to me regarding a Colombian and asking if I want a BCI or a BCC? :confused: I'm probably wrong but I thought that a particular species could only be either a BCI or a BCC ... which Make/Model should I ask for :confuzd:
The difference between the 2 is this:
BCI pattern looks like or close to ()()()()()() (little/few to no widows peaks) they stay a bit smaller than BCC
BCC pattern looks like this usually {}{}{}{} (has widows peaks) they are bigger than BCI, and I think it is these that retain their red tails more so than a BCI
But retention of red in tails may have something to do with genetics, local, etc.
Re: What RTB should I choose?
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Originally Posted by Jeanne
Then why is it lumped in as [Common Group: Boa Constrictors]? I would think that the labeling of this snake would be different since it is "not a boa constrictor".
Then again, I guess it all leads back to another species that is referred to as a boa, a sand boa, yet it is not a true boa, it is a colubrid right? So in effect, would this make a dumerils not a true boa?
There are a few species even I have run across that I have to question the labeling due to confusions like this.
I think most of the confusion comes from the subfamily and genus both being named "Boa". The LLLReptile site does list it as a Common Group, which probably refers to the subfamily, but they should have listed it as just Boa and not Boa Constrictor which refers to the genus. :rolleye2:
Re: What RTB should I choose?
I think a lot of the confusion with these names also stems from the fact that the words boa and constrictor are common words in our vocabulary and not usually thought of as "scientific" labels. Most scientific names of snakes have a distinct "latin" feel to them and are not part of our vocabulary at all.
Boa is the genus.
Boa Constrictor is the species.
Boa Constrictor constrictor is a subspecies.
Boa Constrictor imperator is also a subspecies.
Acrantophis dumerili is an entirely different species of boa and may also be written as "Boa Acrantophis dumerili" for a complete scientific name.
Re: What RTB should I choose?
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Originally Posted by JLC
I think a lot of the confusion with these names also stems from the fact that the words boa and constrictor are common words in our vocabulary and not usually thought of as "scientific" labels. Most scientific names of snakes have a distinct "latin" feel to them and are not part of our vocabulary at all.
Boa is the genus.
Boa Constrictor is the species.
Boa Constrictor constrictor is a subspecies.
Boa Constrictor imperator is also a subspecies.
Acrantophis dumerili is an entirely different species of boa and may also be written as "Boa Acrantophis dumerili" for a complete scientific name.
So then the BCC could also be written as Boa Boa Constrictor Constrictor. :)
Re: What RTB should I choose?
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Originally Posted by xdeus
So then the BCC could also be written as Boa Boa Constrictor Constrictor. :)
LOL...well, not by my understanding, but I may be missing something along the way.
I did make the assumption that Acrantophis is the species name and dumerili designates a subspecies of Acrantophis, which falls under the genus of Boa...just like the Constrictor species falls under the genus of Boa. But maybe I'm just confused? :rolleye2:
