Maybe it's just me...

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Originally Posted by kavmon

if this is the one from Al at hartford, you have no worries they have been doing this alot longer than most. around 30+yrs i think.


vaughn

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You can do something for 30 years the wrong way.


Don't get me wrong, I have heard great things about them, but I think anyone who claims to care about their animals should NOT be using UPS. There are other legitimate ways of shipping the animal, so why not use them instead of risking it???

Am I missing something?

I don't think any successful breeder, wholesaler, seller, pet shop or at least I would hope most would not risk their animals or their credibility by breaking UPS policies. Think about it, they're shipping hundreds if not thousands of animals a year. Do you really think UPS is not going to notice all the boxes that state "LIVE HARMLESS REPTILES" going through their trucks?



Maybe there is something we don't know. Maybe UPS has granted certain sellers, breeders and pet shops the alternative of shipping live harmless reptiles through UPS. I would love to get the info straight from someone who ships a lot of animals through UPS. I doubt if they ship 500 or 1000 snakes through UPS under the radar.

I know some ship snake through UPS without authorization from UPS as a lot do with FedEx. But I'm almost positive there are businesses out there that ship through UPS with their approval.

If I'm wrong, than that is screwed up! As Adam commented, there are a lot of breeders out there using UPS every day.

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Originally Posted by ssscales

I don't think any successful breeder, wholesaler, seller, pet shop or at least I would hope most would not risk their animals or their credibility by breaking UPS policies. Think about it, they're shipping hundreds if not thousands of animals a year. Do you really think UPS is not going to notice all the boxes that state "LIVE HARMLESS REPTILES" going through their trucks?



Maybe there is something we don't know. Maybe UPS has granted certain sellers, breeders and pet shops the alternative of shipping live harmless reptiles through UPS. I would love to get the info straight from someone who ships a lot of animals through UPS. I doubt if they ship 500 or 1000 snakes through UPS under the radar.

I know some ship snake through UPS without authorization from UPS as a lot do with FedEx. But I'm almost positive there are businesses out there that ship through UPS with their approval.

If I'm wrong, than that is screwed up! As Adam commented, there are a lot of breeders out there using UPS every day.

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I agree. I would like to know as well. I know NERDs terms page says they ship UPS but I don't know if that refers to animals that are acceptable under UPS policy for live animals. I checked a bunch of the major breeders sites and haven't found another that mentions UPS.

if the ups thing bothers you that much, just do the delta dash. problem solved. i'm sure they will work with you and get you straight.


vaughn

Vaughn, I dont know if she is bothered by it but rather wants an answer from someone in the know. I would like to hear it as well.

I would like to see some one sign on and state "we've been approved with UPS to ship live harmless snakes for over 5yrs and this is how we did it" or "we've been doing it like everyone else for the past 5yrs, against their policy".


Honestly, I'm curious now! Because I always thought UPS also had some certification process and a waiver you signed like FedEx and that was it.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Vaughn, I dont know if she is bothered by it but rather wants an answer from someone in the know. I would like to hear it as well.

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An answer to what?

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

An answer to what?

-adam

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What big breeders are shipping UPS? Do they have a certification through UPS or are they doing it against the official UPS policy? If they have gotten some sort of UPS approval, is that something anyone can get?

i don't know the exact policy of them all but i know that reptiles has been shipped through all the carriers. according to my local fedex and delta people they don't handle the packages any differently than any other package shipped the same way, it's just a box to them.


vaughn

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Originally Posted by ssscales

I don't think any successful breeder, wholesaler, seller, pet shop or at least I would hope most would not risk their animals or their credibility by breaking UPS policies. Think about it, they're shipping hundreds if not thousands of animals a year. Do you really think UPS is not going to notice all the boxes that state "LIVE HARMLESS REPTILES" going through their trucks?

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Thats assuming they are marking the boxes with "Live Harmless Reptiles". I have received snakes from a couple big breeders that were not marked in this fashion. I also noticed they had written the species info on the bottom of the box, out of normal sight. At the time, I didnt think that much about it. But now, it seems to make sense on why.