Small burm????????

what i meant by im sick of hearing bad things about burms is the media and other forums, i posted this topic on another forum and was attacked about why would even be interested in one etc etc etc....guesse it was just a quick rant lol


the guy is giving his snake hook that he uses for "buttercup" to me as well....however im not sure if its a "heavy duty python hook" lol but ifs ist not il just buy one while im in the city

are there any other signs or nervousness you could tell me about

also what would i do if he did ever happen to tag me and not let go(heaven forbid but just incase)...i heard pouring liquor down its thorat while its clamped onto you will make it release......ripping the snake off will just make a mess of my arm so any comments about emergency situation :) i wont hanleing it alone btw

Well, there's different ways of getting a burm off of you. When I got bit, the snake didn't let go.. I was at work so I had to go in back and have the owner get it off. We tried pouring water on his face first, but that made him clamp down harder.. unfortunately the only thing we had was windex.. it did the trick, but not nice for the snake. I have heard listerine works.. any kind of alcohol is supposed to work too.

As far as unwrapping them if they're around you I have heard that starting from the tail and unwrapping that way is the easiest way to get them off.

I hope it never comes to that though. :)

I hope so to....Always good to be prepared :D

The snake was handled useally for 30 mins at a time...i was thinking it might be wise to let him settle in then once i begin handleign him keep the periods short 5-10 mins everyother day and work it up to 30 mins? just so that he gets use to me ...i dont want him out for 30 mins the first day i get home cuz they il have a big pissy burm on my hands ....not good lol

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Originally Posted by Lucifers_Mommy

more dogs kill people than snakes

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Wow, thats news to me in all my years I have yet to hear of any dog killing a human, biting yeah..but never killing. I would like to see the info you have seen that you are basing your opinion/statement off of.


And, taking into account, you are saying "snakes" as in not specifying what species/type..your statement would still be untrue due to the fact that many ppl do die a year from "hot" bites from not being able to make it to medical attention quick enough and the various reasons one would die b/c of that.

Now, if you are talking JUST burms, I have yet to hear of anyone that died due to one of those. But I have heard of a few scarey experiences from those that have tried/decided to handle alone rather than wait for someone to be there to help them with big burms.

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Originally Posted by Jeanne

Wow, thats news to me in all my years I have yet to hear of any dog killing a human, biting yeah..but never killing. I would like to see the info you have seen that you are basing your opinion/statement off of.

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I would also like to see the documented support of those facts. It would be a very interesting read. I love to read that kinda stuff...like more people die of bee stings than shark attacks..etc....Two of my favorite creatures on this planet are sharks and snakes...and both seem to get crapped on because of people's unrational fears.

The problem with the large constrictor and dog comparison is that people react alot differently to a stray dog wandering the streets and a lost 12' burm turning up in someone's back yard. Stray dogs are usually ignored by most but a runaway burm will make the evening news, increase irrational fear of snakes, and force politicians to pass laws that keep us from keeping reptiles.

I have no problem with people keeping large boids. But I do get angry with the fact that some people are irresponsible. If a large boid keeper gets injured or killed or lets their snake escape, it threatens ALL reptile keepers ability to own herps. These reckless people are making owning reptiles like owning guns. If I want to LEGALLY own a large boid in Louisiana, I have to have 500+ hours of supervised handling experience with large boids, pay for a license, have my home and the snake's enclosure inspected by the department of wildlife and fisheries, and face criminal and other legal actions if an incident were to happen. So just remember that if you keep a large boid you have a responsibilty to keep it in the proper way so that these laws do not get worse and spread to more commonly kept herps.

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And, taking into account, you are saying "snakes" as in not specifying what species/type..your statement would still be untrue due to the fact that many ppl do die a year from "hot" bites from not being able to make it to medical attention quick enough and the various reasons one would die b/c of that.

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The number of people dying in the US due to snakes in general is very low. But one of the big reasons for people dying or becoming severly injured due to "hot" bites is the fact that they are unprepared. Alot of exotic 'hots' are kept in the US without proper planning. Some people keep hots that really do not have an effective antivenom or do not personally stock rare antivenoms....it is not like every hospital in the US has antivenom for cobra bites ;) These unprepared people are making it harder for good keepers to own these animals with all the bad publicity when they get bitten.

I certainly don't know about the statistics part of it, but I do know that dogs have killed humans. The presa canario case in San Francisco a few years ago, where a lawyer couple were keeping two for a prisoner that they had befriended (and adopted, by the way as an adult) and they killed a neighbor who was trying to get into her apartment. The female party that was caring for the dogs was the handler at the time. They went to trial for murder (or maybe manslaughter) but I don't remember the outcome.


Also, there are a few cases each year here in metro Atlanta where a pit bull has killed a child.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program! ;)

ok well i meant more people are hurt by dogs than burms.......i exageratted sorry it was such a big deal that you had to write 4 paragraphs on it....i was just frustrated at the time by what peopel on other forums were saying.......you shoudl never handle them, there viscious aggrasive , have killed people etc etc....and i know they arent all bad so i was hoping to hear some good comments

Always staying alert and avoiding the Stupid Feeding Events will be the best thing.


As a research into it I starting hopping and googling and went into the top 3 deaths by a large boid. Reading the investigations for the boy in his bed, the guy w/the chicken in the box, etc. ....they were all SFE's and/or the boid had the run of the house.

(Now personally? I would NEVER allow a critter who POOS THAT MUCH, free reign to slither around my house!! It's bad enough to be stepping on a cat hairball!!!!!! ) :bleh:

I cant belive that people actualy do that tho...let the burm,s have the run of the house with no enclosure, like do they feed them on the carpet in there living room??? like that is just askign for somethin to happen......not to mention keeping the snake healthy at room temps would be a big enough challenge

Jumping in a little late, but those dog owners were convicted....that trial caused a lot of ignorant people to put a lot of pressure on politicians to make laws again "fighting dogs". There was also a story not too much later where a "pack" of domestic dogs killed a guys poor little baby son in the HOUSE no less--they said the dogs acted just like a wolf pack :( I'm a huge dog person, so I pay attention to this kind of stuff.

On the subject at hand, I have not heard of a single large snake related death that didn't involve a pet snake getting loose or just flat out being neglected. The first one I remember hearing about was a rectic who attacked and killed his owner who was apparently not feeding him. I mean, what did he expect to happen if he didn't feed a snake that huge and strong?? What does a 28 foot snake eat? Whatever it wants =P People who allow an animal like that free run of the house IMO is just too lazy to get them a proper enclosure, or just like to show off to their friends ::shrug::

(sorry that was so long, this subject really interests me =D)