Super Spider and other stuff....

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

How come I never hear any talk of possible Super Pins? ....I guess Randy has just been busy :D j/k

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Not enough pin x pin breedings yet. ;)

I'm sure Randy has a spread sheet started. :P

-adam

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I think it's too early in the morning and I haven't had enough coffee yet. Racking my brain here, but coming up blank - BEL? Can a girl get a little help? :weirdface

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BEL = blue eyed lucy.

-adam

With pinstripes there is a public story as to how many pin X pin breedings have been done - one. So we know it's too early for a proven homozygous pin to be conspicuous by its absence or to suspect that there is a breeder who has withheld a near proven gut feeling as to the nature of the morph for years and years and years.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

With pinstripes there is a public story as to how many pin X pin breedings have been done - one. So we know it's too early for a proven homozygous pin to be conspicuous by its absence or to suspect that there is a breeder who has withheld a near proven gut feeling as to the nature of the morph for years and years and years.

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Years and years and years?

Well, the first CB female spiders hatched in 1999 ... being a new unproven morph, it's not likely that Kevin went "ALL OUT" and put the original spider with a ton of females, so the number of CB spider females was probably very limited ... Being hatching in 1999 would make them breedable for the first spider x spider breedings in 2001 maybe (but that's not a given, could have been 2002 if Kevin was being super conservative) ... then, with no visible super ... all of the males would need to be held back to breed in 2003 producing the first potential all spider clutches in 2004 (but that is assuming that Kevin kept all of the males and didn't sell any thinking that he just missed on the super) ... wow, was 2004 just the season before last ... amazing!

All that is assuming that every single one grew like they so called "should" ... everyone bred like they "should" ... all of the eggs were fertile like they "should be" ... and none of those fertile eggs went bad during incubation because that never happens right? ... Give me a break Randy ... years and years and years? ... LOL, sure .... Dude, you really need to relax a little bit! :P

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

All that is assuming that every single one grew like they so called "should" ... everyone bred like they "should" ... all of the eggs were fertile like they "should be" ... and none of those fertile eggs went bad during incubation because that never happens right? ...:P

-adam

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Adam - you forgot one - MOVING!!!!!

What does this remind me of? "Of course, we don't live anywhere near Perfect...so we have Walgreens." ;)

K~

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Originally Posted by KLG

Adam - you forgot one - MOVING!!!!!

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Absolutely! ... I intentionally left that one out because most boners won't understand what's involved in moving tens of thousands of animals and say "what does that have to do with anything" ... LOL ... With the stress of financing, designing, and building a multi million dollar breeding facility ... starting an entirely new business venture (Zoo Creatures) ... and writing a book, you would think all that would be enough for people to cut you guys some slack.

Keep on rockin on K! and tell the mad scientist that if he wants me to pick up on the first call next time, don't block the number! :P

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Keep on rockin on K! and tell the mad scientist that if he wants me to pick up on the first call next time, don't block the number! :P

-adam

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LOL...he was calling you from the house, so that # is always blocked by default. We'll *82 you next time, though. ;)

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Originally Posted by KLG

LOL...he was calling you from the house, so that # is always blocked by default. We'll *82 you next time, though. ;)

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LOL ... I was just bustin chops :P ... How's he gonna prank call me if you *82? :P

-adam

Sorry, so maybe just 2 years. That's if there wasn't anything in the spider X spider breedings of 2001 or 2002 that gave the gut feeling of a homozygous spider. When we all eventually know the nature of the homozygous spider we'll see if reputations are more at risk from delaying or from premature sharing of gut feelings.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Sorry, so maybe just 2 years.

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If everything went perfectly, 2 years. Unfortunately, working with animals always has unpredictable twists and turns and as Kara pointed out, there was a massive move to a new facility right in the middle on the timeline. Seems to me the project is right where it should be.

Randy, you may think yourself to be absolutely perfect, but it's an unrealistic standard to hold other people to.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

That's if there wasn't anything in the spider X spider breedings of 2001 or 2002 that gave the gut feeling of a homozygous spider.

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Yeah, there were big yellow post it notes inside the eggs that said "this ones the super spider" as well as "there was a second gunman on the grassy knoll" ... LMFAO!

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

When we all eventually know the nature of the homozygous spider we'll see if reputations are more at risk from delaying or from premature sharing of gut feelings.

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We sure will. It will be nice to see hard working breeders out there that take their time and are absolutely certain about the results of a breeding project before they open thier mouths instead of lonely old boners rushing to the forums with wild and unfounded speculation in order to get attention, make themselves feel important, and impress the posers.

ROCK ON!

-adam