Avengers Endgame SPOILER Thread

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Originally Posted by Toad37

I like that they weaseled gamora back into it by bringing her in from the past but I was kind of upset they didn't do the same for Loki. He's always been one of my favorite characters.

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I thought for sure they would bring Loki back, especially with Thor having such a hard time.

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Originally Posted by WhompingWillow

I thought for sure they would bring Loki back, especially with Thor having such a hard time.

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My daughter was really disappointed by this too.

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Originally Posted by Skeptiball

Simple. I read your comments and I have doubts.

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please explain what in my comments led to these doubts. Is it simply that fact that I don't agree with your point of view, or do you have an actual basis for your opinion?

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Originally Posted by reptilemom25

My daughter was really disappointed by this too.

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please explain what in my comments led to these doubts. Is it simply that fact that I don't agree with your point of view, or do you have an actual basis for your opinion?

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Maybe I should clarify this a bit. I thought the quote feature highlighted what I had my doubts about. The specific line was, "Yes, I WOULD definitely complain if they did that kind of crappy job on a scene of male characters charging in. There was no exposition."
I've heard things very similar to this over the years and it usually comes across as vapid and a way to end a conversation. I've become jaded to it. You're right, I don't know you as a person and you may find fault with a scene showing an all male crew charging in. For that I apologize.

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Originally Posted by WhompingWillow

I thought for sure they would bring Loki back, especially with Thor having such a hard time.

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I think they cracked the door a bit with the alternate timeline he created when he left with the tesseract. That may be a later movie and/or spin-off of some sort in which there is a darker Loki only time line, or perhaps something the new Avengers have to fix.

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Originally Posted by Skeptiball

Maybe I should clarify this a bit. I thought the quote feature highlighted what I had my doubts about. The specific line was, "Yes, I WOULD definitely complain if they did that kind of crappy job on a scene of male characters charging in. There was no exposition."
I've heard things very similar to this over the years and it usually comes across as vapid and a way to end a conversation. I've become jaded to it. You're right, I don't know you as a person and you may find fault with a scene showing an all male crew charging in. For that I apologize.

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It wasn't intended as a way to end a conversation, rather as response to your question and a way to move conversation past the "it would be ok if it was guys" idea, because it wouldn't. I honestly would have found fault with the scene no matter who the characters were because it left so many holes. Wasp was in the van and then suddenly made it all the way to the middle of the battle with no explanation. Several other characters were elsewhere as well and then showed up in a perfectly posed group for the "money shot". Lots of male dominated action movies use the same ploy and it bothers me there too. It's lazy movie making in my opinion, and the fact that they chose to be this lazy with a scene that they knew people would be scrutinizing says a lot about how little they cared about getting their representation of females correct. That bothers me, and I think accepting it as a valid way to do things means we will not move forward in the development of strong female characters who are not just there to satisfy the need for a "token" girl power scene. I think Captian Marvel did a lot, but this was a step backwards IMO.

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Originally Posted by ladywhipple02

I think they cracked the door a bit with the alternate timeline he created when he left with the tesseract. That may be a later movie and/or spin-off of some sort in which there is a darker Loki only time line, or perhaps something the new Avengers have to fix.

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Good point!

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Originally Posted by MasonC2K

That Avengers scene felt like just a step up from the 60's. It would have been more powerful if it was executed to be more natural.

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I think that explains my feelings well, it just felt token and forced (like how all the 90s music in Captain Marvel was ONLY women 90s bands :rolleyes: )

There already ARE amazing powerful women superheros in these Marvel movies, just treat them all the same, as amazing powerful people. Forcing the aspect feels dated and unnecessary.

Let's look at a non-forced scene - Black Widow's death. "Normally" it would be the man sacrificing to save a woman. They did the opposite, it was a touching, sad scene and didn't feel forced trying to 'change the narrative'.

Anyways, we all have our opinions. :)

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Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril

I think that explains my feelings well, it just felt token and forced (like how all the 90s music in Captain Marvel was ONLY women 90s bands :rolleyes: )

There already ARE amazing powerful women superheros in these Marvel movies, just treat them all the same, as amazing powerful people. Forcing the aspect feels dated and unnecessary.

Let's look at a non-forced scene - Black Widow's death. "Normally" it would be the man sacrificing to save a woman. They did the opposite, it was a touching, sad scene and didn't feel forced trying to 'change the narrative'.

Anyways, we all have our opinions. :)

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ITA about the Black Widow scene. It was well done ,thoughtful film making.

So the Russos confirms that Old Cap went back and created an alternate timeline with Peggy Carter. Then after she died he came back to the main timeline using the suit.

And supposedly that story (or part of it) will be told.

Also, I completely missing seeing Howard the Duck hop out of a portal in the first showing.