How BIG is your TV?

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Originally Posted by KevinK

Hahahaha....

I'm still using an off brand 32" 720p from Radio Shack that I bought in 2007 for a whopping $400 (which was a STEAL back then)....won't upgrade until the Packers make the Super Bowl (could be 20 years at this rate) or the Brewers make the World Series (good probability actually)

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Originally Posted by craigafrechette

The Brew Crew should be a legit NL contender this year. Crazy to think pitchers and catchers report to camp kinda soon.

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the Brewers are the former Seattle Pilots. YW Kev.

Edit: the lot were the old stadium is now a Lowe's. if i were alive back then, i would hate Milwaukee like i hate Oklahoma City today. but we got the Mariner's in '77 so it's good now.

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Originally Posted by craigafrechette

The Brew Crew should be a legit NL contender this year. Crazy to think pitchers and catchers report to camp kinda soon.

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Oh yeah, I'm counting the days. I have my season tickets on standby actually. Going to be a fun year. Truth be told, as long as we take the division again I'm happy. You're talking to the biggest Cub hater on this side of the Mississippi :D

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Originally Posted by Ax01

the Brewers are the former Seattle Pilots. YW Kev.

Edit: the lot were the old stadium is now a Lowe's. if i were alive back then, i would hate Milwaukee like i hate Oklahoma City today. but we got the Mariner's in '77 so it's good now.

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There are still a few Brewers fans who feel that way about the Braves to this day actually lol. ATL took our team originally haha.

Ickle.

32" - but then I usually sit at my computer which is less than 24" from the tv.

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Originally Posted by JRLongton

Good to hear, as projectors only work well in a dark room.

As I understand it, what are being sold today as LEDs are actually just higher end LCDs, the drawbacks of which just cannot be overcome. But the OLEDs are true LED, with a price tag to match! Maybe I'm wrong though.

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A great, not excellent, top of the line, LG OLED costs within 10% of a QLED by Samsung, which is the only thing that comes close on color, contrast, and black levels. However, it's no comparison, it's still LCD (QLED) versus OLED.

I have a 2016 B6 and it's amazing. The 2019's that cost what I paid for my B6, on sale, in 2016, about $3K, give or take, are even better.

You pay for 3 things when you pay more for an OLED; screen film/reflective nature, sound quality, and processing ability.

To be clear, the first is only important if you are in a bright room. However, if you are in a really bright room, not worth getting an OLED. From what I've read and heard, if using in a sunny room, get an LCD like a QLED. They are super bright and can handle the bright light without washing out much. However, that's the only advantage that I can see.

I have a finished basement, so sunlight is not an issue. My 2016 OLED, which is half as bright as the new ones, or something like that, is plenty bright.

The OLED screen, aside from the film, is virtually, if not completely, the same on all LG OLEDs.

I already said, do not pay for the screen film, as it's not worth it for 2X the cost, which is what it is.

Sound quality is also not worth paying for, IF, you have surround or room for a soundbar, external speakers, etc. I have surround sound that's killer, DOLBY 7.1, and Dolby ATMOS. NO need to pay for sound quality on a TV where 2X as good isn't relevant at all to me. Only relevant if you have no space for a secondary sound source.

My 2016 lacks in 2 departments compared to the new ones. First, as discussed, brightness. In the dark room I watch in, it's of virtually zero consequence, and almost zero consequence with artificial light. All the new ones are brighter even than mine. Mine, at the time, was brighter than 85% of LCD's sold at the same, give or take. The second is processing ability.

Finally, processing ability. THIS MATTERS. The higher end OLEDs have better processors. Does this matter? If buying a new one, there are very few instances where it will.

My 2016 has not motion blur at all as it is OLED, not LCD. It's refresh rate is infinite, as with a plasma. However, when watching 4K HDR content, I occasionally get a similar effect. If I'd spent $7K instead of $3K, I wouldn't have this. Does it bother me? Yes. However, firmware updates have made it much better, and I'd rather safe the money and get another TV in a few years when they have everything figured out, instead of 90%.

As I understand it, even the base models in 2019 do not have this problem as the current chipset is faster than the top of the line 2016 TV.

However, probably worth looking into.

There is one other issue worth mentioning. There is a phenomena known as LAG. It measures how quickly the TV responds to changes/input from a secondary device, like a gaming machine such as an XBOX ONE X.

It's measured in Milliseconds and anything below 30 milliseconds, 99.9% of people do not notice. OLED's tend to have slightly more lag than LCD's. If you are professional gamer, playing on a 2016 OLED, with the new firmware updates, you might notice it as I believe they got it from 40 something milliseconds down to 32 milliseconds, or something like that, versus say 25 milliseconds, for an LCD. However, I do not think that's an issue for the new ones and I have yet to notice it, ever. I do play games, but I am not a professional gamer.

By the way, when I say professional gamer, I literally mean you get paid, a lot, to play video games. Sponsorship, tournaments, etc.

Bottom line: OLED is superior to any LCD, even QLED, unless watching in direct sunlight, where the benefits are not noticeable.

Better refresh rate, better blacks, more rich and true colors, lighter/thinner, etc. I also happen to think LG makes a heck of a TV and in general, has addressed issues fairly well with firmware updates. My TV today is better than it was in 2016.

I think that's it, but if you have other questions, feel free to post or PM. I have yet to see a picture on anything else that's 75% as good as my OLED in a room without a lot of sunlight.

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Originally Posted by craigafrechette

The Brew Crew should be a legit NL contender this year. Crazy to think pitchers and catchers report to camp kinda soon.

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Insane to think that pitchers and catchers report soon as it's snowing here in Northern CT and dropping to 0 degrees Fahrenheit this evening!

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Originally Posted by dakski

A great, not excellent, top of the line, LG OLED costs within 10% of a QLED by Samsung, which is the only thing that comes close on color, contrast, and black levels. However, it's no comparison, it's still LCD (QLED) versus OLED.

I have a 2016 B6 and it's amazing. The 2019's that cost what I paid for my B6, on sale, in 2016, about $3K, give or take, are even better.

You pay for 3 things when you pay more for an OLED; screen film/reflective nature, sound quality, and processing ability.

To be clear, the first is only important if you are in a bright room. However, if you are in a really bright room, not worth getting an OLED. From what I've read and heard, if using in a sunny room, get an LCD like a QLED. They are super bright and can handle the bright light without washing out much. However, that's the only advantage that I can see.

I have a finished basement, so sunlight is not an issue. My 2016 OLED, which is half as bright as the new ones, or something like that, is plenty bright.

The OLED screen, aside from the film, is virtually, if not completely, the same on all LG OLEDs.

I already said, do not pay for the screen film, as it's not worth it for 2X the cost, which is what it is.

Sound quality is also not worth paying for, IF, you have surround or room for a soundbar, external speakers, etc. I have surround sound that's killer, DOLBY 7.1, and Dolby ATMOS. NO need to pay for sound quality on a TV where 2X as good isn't relevant at all to me. Only relevant if you have no space for a secondary sound source.

My 2016 lacks in 2 departments compared to the new ones. First, as discussed, brightness. In the dark room I watch in, it's of virtually zero consequence, and almost zero consequence with artificial light. All the new ones are brighter even than mine. Mine, at the time, was brighter than 85% of LCD's sold at the same, give or take. The second is processing ability.

Finally, processing ability. THIS MATTERS. The higher end OLEDs have better processors. Does this matter? If buying a new one, there are very few instances where it will.

My 2016 has not motion blur at all as it is OLED, not LCD. It's refresh rate is infinite, as with a plasma. However, when watching 4K HDR content, I occasionally get a similar effect. If I'd spent $7K instead of $3K, I wouldn't have this. Does it bother me? Yes. However, firmware updates have made it much better, and I'd rather safe the money and get another TV in a few years when they have everything figured out, instead of 90%.

As I understand it, even the base models in 2019 do not have this problem as the current chipset is faster than the top of the line 2016 TV.

However, probably worth looking into.

There is one other issue worth mentioning. There is a phenomena known as LAG. It measures how quickly the TV responds to changes/input from a secondary device, like a gaming machine such as an XBOX ONE X.

It's measured in Milliseconds and anything below 30 milliseconds, 99.9% of people do not notice. OLED's tend to have slightly more lag than LCD's. If you are professional gamer, playing on a 2016 OLED, with the new firmware updates, you might notice it as I believe they got it from 40 something milliseconds down to 32 milliseconds, or something like that, versus say 25 milliseconds, for an LCD. However, I do not think that's an issue for the new ones and I have yet to notice it, ever. I do play games, but I am not a professional gamer.

By the way, when I say professional gamer, I literally mean you get paid, a lot, to play video games. Sponsorship, tournaments, etc.

Bottom line: OLED is superior to any LCD, even QLED, unless watching in direct sunlight, where the benefits are not noticeable.

Better refresh rate, better blacks, more rich and true colors, lighter/thinner, etc. I also happen to think LG makes a heck of a TV and in general, has addressed issues fairly well with firmware updates. My TV today is better than it was in 2016.

I think that's it, but if you have other questions, feel free to post or PM. I have yet to see a picture on anything else that's 75% as good as my OLED in a room without a lot of sunlight.




Insane to think that pitchers and catchers report soon as it's snowing here in Northern CT and dropping to 0 degrees Fahrenheit this evening!

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I got a 65" LG last year and I love it so far. I couldn't agree more on the sound though. It's just terrible! Some sort of external sound is a must but I have to have surround sound anyway so it wasn't a big deal.