Got off on the wrong foot

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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

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This is how I learned everything about keeping my snakes healthy... research.

This forum has a "search" function. I can simply type in whatever I am looking for, and read page after page of forum discussions on the topic. There are also "sections" on husbandry, or other specifics. In those subforum sections, there are "stickies" which are basically a FAQ type of thread, that get referred to over and over.
I started keeping ball pythons 2 years ago, and I have spent literally hundreds of hours reading about ball pythons, husbandry, feeding, heating, humidity, hides, enclosures, breeding, incubating, pooping, you name it. I know for a fact I have spent hundreds of hours sitting on the couch reading about this stuff, using the search forum function and simply reading the threads that interest me. Now granted, I occasionally posted a question to get more specific advice aimed at my particular need, but for the most part, 90% of my posts are actually helping, answering and discussing ball pythons, because I love them!

I am continually amazed about how lazy the majority of people are on the internet. They can't take 30 minutes of their life to do some very easy online research, but instead want all the information spoon-fed to them. Every day we get a new member posting a new thread like: "HELP, my ball python won't eat!!!"
There are hundreds, if not thousands of the same posts over and over and over again! I personally find it ridiculous that people can't just skim through the other 5000 threads that have already have ALL THE POSSIBLE ANSWERS they could ever need. Somehow, they cannot find the time or effort to do a quick search, or to do some reading, but instead just join up, don't do any research at all, and then post, "HELP with my setup." "What size prey should I be feeding?" etc, etc, etc.

Now, granted, this is a social/information forum and all such questions are welcome and almost always get answered by experienced, knowledgeable members. However, in your particular case, you have been belligerent and disrespectful to the community right out of the gate, so it would probably be wise, to lay low and just use the forum as a research tool, instead of asking for spoon fed advice from people who aren't getting paid to help you, and might not want to freely interact with such a trollish attitude, when they might have better things to do with their time.


Just my 2 cents.:2cent:

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So i expressed that my original statement was towards someone i know personally that used the site to hack me. And apologized for my words as they were said Irresponsibly and affected many. And made My apology to everyone who read my original thread. I'm not asking to be spoon Fed anything. Im just asking for some advise . I Particularly don't like your negative opinion of me but that's fine and everyone else that's been a part of this form for a long time is going to have a feeling about what I'm saying toward you and that's fine too. And I've read tons of stuff that other people have posted in read many books about how to properly care for this reptile. Like I said and this is not me having a badd attitude this me realizing that people of taking something I've said personally when it wasn't meant towards anybody other than someone that I personally know on a personal level. But its my fault.

This isnt about my snake anymore this is about me thats fine. I hope all of you enjoy your weekend and live happy helthy lives with your animals. Like i said got off on the wrong foot

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Originally Posted by dakski

Sounds like things are not terrible right now temp wise.

However. We won’t know for sure until you get the temp gun.

I would still consider removing the humidifier and plumbing.

See how much the temps are changing with the mist when the heat gun comes.

Consistent temps are much better than fluctuating temps.

Once you know your temps for sure, you will be able to make informed decisions.

If you want to advise after you know the temps with the temp gun, feel free.

That will also give everyone time to cam down.

After this thread, as Godzilla78 said, do your best to research more and ask less.

Check both your attitude and expectations at the door if you do post again.

Not many people get three chances.

Good luck.

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Thank you

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Originally Posted by jonny65or9

Thank you

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Again i realy Appreciate your time and words. But i dont think this is the place for me. Thank you again for everything

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Fwiw, my pm box is open if you have any questions. I will do my best to pass on whatever knowledge I have and if I don't have a good answer, I'll search to find one

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Originally Posted by jonny65or9

Again i realy Appreciate your time and words. But i dont think this is the place for me. Thank you again for everything

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I see that i messed up and think its better if i just go

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Originally Posted by jonny65or9

Again sorry Just anxious to make this right. Temp gun will be here tomorrow. I just walked in the door and found him exploring for the first time. The rank is regulated with a uth on the hos side with a regulator controlling the temp at 90. The probe for that is attached is Underneath the tank inside the tank is is another probe that controls the che which is also set at 90 next to that probe is my thermometer probe telling me what the temp is down at ground level with the snake. In the middle of the tank is a zoomed hydrotherm monitor telling me the rh and middle tank temp as well as controling the humidity . The humidifier drops its mist on the cool side. On the cool side is just a probe telli g me the temp at ground level. I am using a 5.0 reptisun tropical light in a 150 watt deep dome. My che is a 250 watt in a 300 watt dome bud is being controled by a zoo med temp controller

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Im gonna be quick and strait forward. Your small tank has HEAT OVERKILL. You dont even need 1/2 of 250 watts let alone 2 of them. You need a UTH and a CHE. You have a contraption that is going to cause you nothing but headaches.
I will say you did a GREAT job and its cool as hell.. But a snake is going mess that all up and its going to effect the whole Husbandry. Keep it simple for a small glass tank, your going to drive yourself crazy.
A CHE, UTH, Thermometer & Tstat.
If this was a 4' or 6' PVC enclosure there would be more options, but you have to work with what you have in a way it can function properly.
Dont look into it so much.


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Originally Posted by jonny65or9

So i expressed that my original statement was towards someone i know personally that used the site to hack me. And apologized for my words as they were said Irresponsibly and affected many. And made My apology to everyone who read my original thread. I'm not asking to be spoon Fed anything. Im just asking for some advise . I Particularly don't like your negative opinion of me but that's fine and everyone else that's been a part of this form for a long time is going to have a feeling about what I'm saying toward you and that's fine too. And I've read tons of stuff that other people have posted in read many books about how to properly care for this reptile. Like I said and this is not me having a badd attitude this me realizing that people of taking something I've said personally when it wasn't meant towards anybody other than someone that I personally know on a personal level. But its my fault.

This isnt about my snake anymore this is about me thats fine. I hope all of you enjoy your weekend and live happy helthy lives with your animals. Like i said got off on the wrong foot

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And by the way i work 75 hours a week and take care of a family so its not being lazy or asking for a free hand out. Its using the time i do have to educate myself by reading and hearing what others have to say while im doing that.

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I would just start over. As CALM posted, it is a bit overkill. I provide 5 things for balls, and they are super healthy.
1)A constant thermal gradient, 78-90 degrees, the floor plan of their rack tub is large enough they can choose which temperature that want in that range.
2)Darkness and shelter. They are in 55 quart rack tubs, the rack shelves keep it dark as there is only one side that they can be seen through, so they feel hidden from predators. They all have hides, at least two tight places they curl up in to feel protected. One on the cooler side of the tub, one on the Warner side.
3)Humidity and water I use coconut husk fiber, that I mist as needed with a spray bottle, the coconut fiber keeps the ventilated tub humid with very little effort. In the winter, or when the air is arid, I run a whole house humidifier to keep the ambient house humidity above 50%. It helps my children and I breathe better, keeps the sinuses healthy, kills the flu virus, as well as makes it easier to maintain 55-75% humidity for my snakes. I also keep a non-tippable water bowl full of clean water at all times.
4)Substrate Already mentioned above that I use coconut fiber for humidity, but it also makes excellent bedding for my snakes to burrow in, as well as absorbing liquid or odor from any waste the snakes excrete. I spot clean the waste from the substrate daily.
5)Food. I feed them a rat once a week or so.

BOOM that is it, done.

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Originally Posted by jonny65or9

Again i realy Appreciate your time and words. But i dont think this is the place for me. Thank you again for everything

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Thats because your not allowing it to be. Several people including myself have suggested things about your set up & how it will not work easily for several reasons.. Every time you comments it doesn't have to do with our suggestions.. Its back onto the nonsense from the other nights Post.
Look at the sticky on "How to set up a glass enclosure"....
if you don't like that and want to do it your own way then you will have to work out the corks because we don't believe even though your setup looks cool it will work properly. Not to mention i said at least twice your snake will bust it all to hell & then you'll really come home to some crazy dangerous temps when a probe is hanging in a water bowl or something.
Good luck & take care.



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Didn't see any of the original drama so whatevs to that, but i will echo CALM in saying that you have over-engineered the enclosure. Very impressive work, and trust me, I'm a guy who has over thought and over built projects in the past (and i'm sure will do so in the future). But think of it this way: start with the bare minimum and if you have a problem, your trouble-shooting list will be short. I dont mean to suggest that anyone should intentionally aim for sub-par husbandry, but for the most part if you are pretty close to the mark the snake will be fine in teh short term while you dial in your setup. Start with the minimum, 2 thermometers, a hydrometer, and 1 thermostat regulated heat source.. Thats 4 things to keep track of, much more manageable as you refine the setup. Good Luck!