Frozen food can kill not injure your snake

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

And i quote Ted Nugent...'you gotta kill it before you can grill it'. i have no problem with the death or killing of any animal assuming it is for a justified purpose like food. Senseless killing is where i get mad and humans are the only animals that kill for the pure pleasure of killing.

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Hold on there! My cat as a little girl would present me treasures of killed birds as trophies for her skills as a big game hunter. I think that is where my twisted personality first started.

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To quote that link "Honey Badgers Are Just Angry and Deadly"

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

And i quote Ted Nugent...'you gotta kill it before you can grill it'. i have no problem with the death or killing of any animal assuming it is for a justified purpose like food. Senseless killing is where i get mad and humans are the only animals that kill for the pure pleasure of killing.

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Yeah, I see your point I'm not one of those people that believe no animals should be killed for any purpose And not only humans kill for fun, had a red fox kill 20 of my friend's ducks and didn't eat not one of them. End game it was his fault, his pen should have been more secure, but I'm just saying.

And my reason for that question? People who have a holier than thou attitude when it comes to them feeding only f/t and act like feeding live is the absolute worst thing that you could ever do. Guilt tripping doesn't work on me, especially when I'm doing what's best for the well-being of my pet, but it's still extremely annoying.

I like snakes because they are amazing predators. I like most all predators, because they reign supreme in the kingdom of living things.
Killing is cool with me. It’s raw nature. I’m crazy.


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Lots of animals kill for the pleasure of it. It's the nature of a predator to kill, and they sometimes indulge in killing. Dogs will kill sheep or goats for the fun of it. All wild canids will. POssums and raccoons will kill entire hutches full of fowl, leaving all to rot except for the innards of one or two.

Frozen rodents don't kill a snake. Spoiled rodents kill a snake. If you feed spoiled rodents, you're irresponsible, just like if you don't supervise live feedings.

A rabbit can absolutely kill a large snake. Just because the large snake is strong enough to kill the rabbit doesn't mean that it will hit the rabbit correctly 100% of the time. If it makes a bad hit, and the rabbit can kick it properly, then your snake could be mortally injured. It CAN happen. Absolutely can. A frozen/thawed rabbit will never kick the snake.

So stating "frozen can kill" is silly. Live can kill. Spoiled can kill.

And lab excess isn't a bad thing. They aren't selling you animals they've tested drugs on. Those have to be used for the results. The excess supply a lab sells is never exposed to anything, because the breeding colony is kept strictly separate or it will destroy the entire colony for use in their testing regimes. They simply breed more rodents than they need to use, and sell the excess. They're good healthy animals.

As mentioned before, you can believe what you like. But rats have teeth that can gnaw through wood. I have a very good friend who lost a healthy 9 foot boa due to a rat bite to the spine many years ago. In an enclosed space, an animal’s survival instinct is unpredictable. It would only take a second for your snake to sustain a devastating injury. You may not have seen it yet, but it would only take once. Not a pleasant way to see your pet go

I know many years ago I learned my lesson on feeding live to my adult boa. It was litterally 1mm from the rat sinking its top teeth into my snakes eye. Other than feeding a live mouse rarely to "reset" a snake, never again. But a lot of people feed live with great success. Feeding a "bad" frozen prey item can have it's consequences. Humans think they are eating "good" frozen food and looks what happens each year.

CDC estimates that each year roughly 1 in 6 Americans (or 48 million people) gets sick, 128,000 are hospitalized, and 3,000 die of foodborne diseases.

Any form of eating comes with a risk both chronic and acute for both man and beast.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

Lots of animals kill for the pleasure of it. It's the nature of a predator to kill, and they sometimes indulge in killing. Dogs will kill sheep or goats for the fun of it. All wild canids will. POssums and raccoons will kill entire hutches full of fowl, leaving all to rot except for the innards of one or two.

Frozen rodents don't kill a snake. Spoiled rodents kill a snake. If you feed spoiled rodents, you're irresponsible, just like if you don't supervise live feedings.

A rabbit can absolutely kill a large snake. Just because the large snake is strong enough to kill the rabbit doesn't mean that it will hit the rabbit correctly 100% of the time. If it makes a bad hit, and the rabbit can kick it properly, then your snake could be mortally injured. It CAN happen. Absolutely can. A frozen/thawed rabbit will never kick the snake.

So stating "frozen can kill" is silly. Live can kill. Spoiled can kill.

And lab excess isn't a bad thing. They aren't selling you animals they've tested drugs on. Those have to be used for the results. The excess supply a lab sells is never exposed to anything, because the breeding colony is kept strictly separate or it will destroy the entire colony for use in their testing regimes. They simply breed more rodents than they need to use, and sell the excess. They're good healthy animals.

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Well they might start healthy but Rodent Pro definitely does something wrong or did on multiple occasions. They had problems a long time ago i remember reading about. And now there was a whole issue on FB about multiple people having problems with their quality and snakes getting sick, dying or losing color after eating rats from them. Never heard of problems with Big Cheese, Layne Labs or Loxahatchee Rodents. Only issue i heard was that Layne Labs had some pretty piss poor packing by a few people but the rats themselves were clean.

I personally just wouldnt use Rodent Pro as like I've said, in the past 10 years or so, I've heard a few issues with their quality and more than a couple people who have fed their rats and then their snake or snakes have died. Not worth chancing to me as my collection is worth a lot more than a few dollars in rats.

And actually a frozen rat can kill a snake...if you dont fully thaw it and it's still frozen in the core of a jumbo one :P

And yeah, i guess some animals do kill for the heck of it too

I wasn't talking about RodentPro in particular, but excess lab rodents. RodentPro had an issue in the past but I think it was spoiled rodents, which wouldn't have anything to do with initial quality, but probably treatment in holding and shipping.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

Lots of animals kill for the pleasure of it. It's the nature of a predator to kill, and they sometimes indulge in killing. Dogs will kill sheep or goats for the fun of it. All wild canids will. POssums and raccoons will kill entire hutches full of fowl, leaving all to rot except for the innards of one or two.

Frozen rodents don't kill a snake. Spoiled rodents kill a snake. If you feed spoiled rodents, you're irresponsible, just like if you don't supervise live feedings.

A rabbit can absolutely kill a large snake. Just because the large snake is strong enough to kill the rabbit doesn't mean that it will hit the rabbit correctly 100% of the time. If it makes a bad hit, and the rabbit can kick it properly, then your snake could be mortally injured. It CAN happen. Absolutely can. A frozen/thawed rabbit will never kick the snake.

So stating "frozen can kill" is silly. Live can kill. Spoiled can kill.

And lab excess isn't a bad thing. They aren't selling you animals they've tested drugs on. Those have to be used for the results. The excess supply a lab sells is never exposed to anything, because the breeding colony is kept strictly separate or it will destroy the entire colony for use in their testing regimes. They simply breed more rodents than they need to use, and sell the excess. They're good healthy animals.

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Im not buying that argument that a rabbit can kill a large Constrictor by kicking it. That might happen with an underfed Constrictor that has a weak bones and a small muscle mass. Not all Constrictors have the same hardness of bones and muscle mass. Humans and other animals don’t also. What I like about boa is that it’s a hunter by instinct, an efficient hunter. Either it will strike with full speed and power or it won’t.

The troll is over fed, everyone... please stop feeding it anymore, live OR f/t...


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