Bad Frozen rats

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Originally Posted by KMG

Large mice?

Get back to me when you're dealing with rats.

Mice put up much less fight and have less fight to give.

Any snake eating large mice is not big. IMHO.

The largest I ever had to feed live were medium rats when I first got my BRB. Those guys really had something to live for. Though my BRB is long(6+) and takes medium rats his head is not big and wide and his bite doesn't kill on contact. You can't judge all other snakes and feeders by your limited experience with large mice. My big Blood could kill a large mouse by laying on it.

One day your snake will be taking medium rats and we'll see how you feed then. Until then you can only speculate.

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I gave you 2 examples. My 8 months Dumerlis Boa who eats large mice and my yearling BCI who eats medium rats. It seems you saw only one! As i told you, once my BCI has his mouth on the rats face, its finished. The rat has no face anymore. My BCI is 4 feet long. If that rat want to put up a fight, i will say "bring it on". My BCI eats live rats since he is 3 months old.

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Originally Posted by Dutti

I gave you 2 examples. My 8 months Dumerlis Boa who eats large mice and my yearling BCI who eats medium rats. It seems you saw only one! As i told you, once my BCI has his mouth on the rats face, its finished. The rat has no face anymore. My BCI is 4 feet long. If that rat want to put up a fight, i will say "bring it on". My BCI eats live rats since he is 3 months old.

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So your BCI is batting a thousand but one day it will miss the face. When it does you may get the opportunity to learn just what I'm talking about and gain more experience to draw from.

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Originally Posted by KMG

So your BCI is batting a thousand but one day it will miss the face. When it does you may get the opportunity to learn just what I'm talking about and gain more experience to draw from.

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Even if he missed the face. The power of his muscle is devastating. The rat can,t bite under such huge pressure. And if it does, it will be a weak and harmless bite under such pressure.

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Originally Posted by Dutti

Even if he missed the face. The power of his muscle is devastating. The rat can,t bite under such huge pressure. And if it does, it will be a weak and harmless bite under such pressure.

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Devastating?

Like you've experienced it and know how the feeder feels. Lol!

I'll just again add that I've seen live feeders bite and hurt snakes. It can happen no matter what you think.

Harmless? Not always.

But,

You're right. I'm wrong.

And,

Im done.

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Originally Posted by EL-Ziggy

I think you did the right thing tossing those rodents Pit. I guess there are pros and cons to buying locally. I don't have a trusted local supplier so I have to purchase my feeders online. I use Perfect Prey and Big Cheese and I've never had any issues with the quality of their feeders. Sometimes it's worth paying a little more for that extra peace of mind.


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Nicely packed :) looks professional, thats how you'll sell and people will buy again

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Originally Posted by KMG

Devastating?

Like you've experienced it and know how the feeder feels. Lol!

I'll just again add that I've seen live feeders bite and hurt snakes. It can happen no matter what you think.

Harmless? Not always.

But,

You're right. I'm wrong.

And,

Im done.

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I have read several articals that BCI,s are one of the most powerful constrictors in the world. They have more crushing power than a burmese python which is twice their size. Many boa keepers raise them like if they were corn snakes. Here is an opinion of someone who is more experienced than me:
http://www.deanos-exotics.com/common...imperator.html

Get back on topic with the original post.

Quite a debate you two :)

I personally wouldn't feed my snakes live pray, only if last resort. Accident can happen and I don't want any scars on my snakes as their safety is my responsibility and I would feel soooo bad if any got hurt.
A Snake can be a strong bad ass biter as much as it wants, but, the bigger feeder the more danger. People do what they want, they all have their opinions and ways..
I chose mine to be as human if possible and for no risk for my snakes, if it eats thawed rodents- lucky me. If it eats live - like some snakes at my workplace, im having my eyeballs on the feeder ready to react if necessary as my boss wants me to feed live so I do so.
With both feeding experience and never had an accident, my beloved snake at home eats thawed cause im just paranoid for all of my animals :)


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The moral of the story is to buy quality food, euthanize humanely and OMG is correct. My 6+ foot BCI got bit for a quick second cause even though he was a beast I slid a herpstat in the gap and stopped the bite.... monitor your feeds.

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Originally Posted by EL-Ziggy

I think you did the right thing tossing those rodents Pit. I guess there are pros and cons to buying locally. I don't have a trusted local supplier so I have to purchase my feeders online. I use Perfect Prey and Big Cheese and I've never had any issues with the quality of their feeders. Sometimes it's worth paying a little more for that extra peace of mind.

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Going forward, I will only purchase from Big Cheese and Perfect Prey. I wasn't overly thrilled with Rodent Pro when I bought rat pups and hopper mice but repackaged them into better freezer bags. I decided to give them another chance because I know you can't exactly package the smaller feeders in a neat and orderly fashion and I could pick up the feeders at the show and save on shipping. It was a large order and more than $120 at the show than what I priced out online when making a list of what all we needed. Their website said save by ordering ahead and picking up at the show. I figured the savings would be on the cost of shipping. They drastically inflate their prices at the show but don't tell anyone that and it's not listed on their website.

I kept my cool but there were 5-6 other people wanting to get feeders and I told them we're paying more because we're at the show and wouldn't it be nice if we were told that prices were inflated at the show? The guy I was working with started apologizing and said he'll give me the online price this time and come back over 'here' to get the order. I gave them my list again and they started putting everything together. They gave me XS pinkies when the list said PEACH fuzzies then they gave me 3 bags of peach fuzzies when I only asked for one, tried to charge me for 3 and said my list said 3. I should have walked away right then and there but I was running low because everyone started hitting growth spurts. My own fault. Their packaging of the rat crawlers and large adult mice was less than stellar and a few rats had feces stuck to their fur or appear to be shoved in the bag prior to being frozen because they were essentially in a ball.


Sorry, to go off on a rant. Maybe I'll throw up a review of my experience of them in the business section.