Alright, Loki is a PIG!

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

My only question after reading this thread is about not feeding until they poop first? My balls don't always pass feces between weekly feedings and I've never worried about it much as they eventually do poop with no apparent troubles (and it's often a whopper!). Am I doing something wrong here in my newbie-hood?

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Not at all .... All of my snakes are offered food every single Monday ... poop or no poop .... I don't even record defications.

Although, if you were stuffing them as full as you can when you feed, I would think that waiting until they passed stool before the next feeding is a pretty good idea.

-adam

Adam,
I myself am not an expert nor do I claim to be one so I do not know his specific requirements. My BP (King tut) instintively does know. He does have his own feed cycles which I have and do document. I know that in late winter/early spring (Febuary-April) he really is not interested in eating. He will usually eat maybe 4-5 mice during this entire period. Once the month of May hits he is ready to go back on schedule and will start to eat large/jumbo rats again (around every 7-10 days{His digestion period}). Late Summer early Autum (July-mid September) he eats like a pig (Usually around 1 jumbo rat plus excess amounts of mice). Through mid September-January he really calms down his eating. He starts to eat around 1 small/medium sized rat every digestion cycle. He will refuse any excess (Usually). Keep in mind I don't feed him during his shed cycles year round. The only time I will disturb him during this period is for normal cage maitenance. I monitor all of his poop and urates (sic). I know that they all are about the same size, texture, smell, and quantity each time. Thus I will have to assume from all the data I have collected and present my theory.: Yes I do believe my snake does know it nutrient requirements. No I don't think there is a difference between nutrients in mice or rats. I do believe feed your snake as much as it desires as long as your snake is and stays healthy. If I have offended anyone I do apalogize I am not here to make anyone feel ackward. I truly do have a love for all things Herp and want to share my experiances to better educate. I in return ask the same from everyone on this site. If you feel I am wrong call me on it, I'm not perfect but I do try to be and critism(sic) certainly does help find my faults.

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Originally Posted by Forrest

Adam,
I myself am not an expert nor do I claim to be one so I do not know his specific requirements. My BP (King tut) instintively does know. He does have his own feed cycles which I have and do document. I know that in late winter/early spring (Febuary-April) he really is not interested in eating. He will usually eat maybe 4-5 mice during this entire period. Once the month of May hits he is ready to go back on schedule and will start to eat large/jumbo rats again (around every 7-10 days{His digestion period}). Late Summer early Autum (July-mid September) he eats like a pig (Usually around 1 jumbo rat plus excess amounts of mice). Through mid September-January he really calms down his eating. He starts to eat around 1 small/medium sized rat every digestion cycle. He will refuse any excess (Usually). Keep in mind I don't feed him during his shed cycles year round. The only time I will disturb him during this period is for normal cage maitenance. I monitor all of his poop and urates (sic). I know that they all are about the same size, texture, smell, and quantity each time. Thus I will have to assume from all the data I have collected and present my theory.: Yes I do believe my snake does know it nutrient requirements. No I don't think there is a difference between nutrients in mice or rats. I do believe feed your snake as much as it desires as long as your snake is and stays healthy. If I have offended anyone I do apalogize I am not here to make anyone feel ackward. I truly do have a love for all things Herp and want to share my experiances to better educate. I in return ask the same from everyone on this site. If you feel I am wrong call me on it, I'm not perfect but I do try to be and critism(sic) certainly does help find my faults.

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So, since my snakes are eating less food at each individual feeding but eating many more times a year than your ball python, who's to say that they are getting less nutrients? Couldn't it be that in the end, each year, our snakes are getting what they need even with our two dramatically differenet feeding styles?

My problem certainly isn't with your feeding style ... I couldn't care less how you feed your snake .... my problem was with your statement that inferred that people that don't feed the way you do are denying their snakes nutrients that they need and inhibiting their growth. In my experience, that's just not true.

-adam

Thanks Adam for the response, I wasn't particularily worried about it, just wondering. As you know we follow the same system here.....Saturday night is feeding night come hell or high water LOL. I'd pick another night but you all know I have no social life so snake feeding is kinda the highlight of the weekend around here :D

Well that and taking bets on how long it will take our 14 year old son to make our 12 year old daughter run to her room screaming I HATE YOU, YOU FREAK! (current record is 2.3 minutes but he really was on his game that night :P )


~~Jo~~

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Well that and taking bets on how long it will take our 14 year old son to make our 12 year old daughter run to her room screaming I HATE YOU, YOU FREAK! (current record is 2.3 minutes but he really was on his game that night :P )


~~Jo~~

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I get in trouble if i even attempt to do that.

LOL Well I didn't say he didn't get in trouble now did I and most of the time his sisters have been busy pushing his buttons (girls are sneaky that way).

When you have 4 of the lil boogerheads errrrrr children you just get to the point where if no one is bleeding or will require long term psycho-therapy later in life, you figure it'll work itself out - mostly w/o your interference.

Also keep in mind 2 of them are now taller than me and the 12 year old isn't far behind so I have to be nice to them or no one will reach me the stuff in the high cupboards LOL!!!


~~Joanna~~

Im 15 and the oldest. My brother is 13 and is autistic and my sister is 7 and has way to much energy. Most of the trouble is caused by me though. As for helping you out my mom always says if you wont help me then no food and tv and the list goes on and on.

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

So, since my snakes are eating less food at each individual feeding but eating many more times a year than your ball python, who's to say that they are getting less nutrients? Couldn't it be that in the end, each year, our snakes are getting what they need even with our two dramatically differenet feeding styles?

My problem certainly isn't with your feeding style ... I couldn't care less how you feed your snake .... my problem was with your statement that inferred that people that don't feed the way you do are denying their snakes nutrients that they need and inhibiting their growth. In my experience, that's just not true.

-adam

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O.K. O.K. O.K,,,,dang I didn't mean to stur up a hornets nest, Sorry you guys... Dang....

By the way, I do thank all in here for their opinions, experience, and help with my problems.


Thanks abunch
Ray

Adam,
You and I both have different feeding preferences agreed? I have never stated that any other persons feeding style is not right. In fact I have always stated that if that works for you keep it up (Go ahead and check all of my previous post). I said if you don't feed them until they are full you could be denying nutrients. That is a true statement (check with vet friend on this one). Every living thing requires a fuel (water, ect.ect.ect.)to live. I'm just giving him the fuel he desires and yes it is working extremely well for me. As far as the amount of food my snake is receiving compared to yours I think they adjust to be about the same amount in a year. Yours is routine, my is spread out. They both work. P.S. I do like to hear your input on these things, your the first person who has ever questioned my methods, then again we both have never seen each others results. Happy Herping