Re: Should I breed my pewter X cinnamon
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bcr229
Actually he doesn't say that, he could have bought them both from someone who bred the kinked daddy. But yes, since there is known kinking in the line I wouldn't pair with anything in the 8-ball complex. IIRC Liesen line black pastels tend to kink less than other lines.
As for what to do if you get a kinked critter, that does depend. I've produced two (BRB's). One passed quickly, the other I still have. It eats, poops, and sheds ok. I give it two smaller feeders as I don't think a normal-sized feeder would easily get past its neck kink.
If you do need to cull a kinked animal putting it in the freezer is one of the most inhumane ways to euthanize it as reptiles do not just "go to sleep". It's been found that their brains remain active while their bodies freeze, so they feel a lot of pain before they die. Pith the brain instead for instant painless death.
Op says they got the father kinked (a super cinny) with tail cut off and posts pictures of the pewter as a hatchling that was a result of breeding a super cinny to a pastel. We know the father was the kinked cinny, therefore (without reading again) the assumption is that op bred the deformed father to produce the pewter and cinny in question.
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Re: Should I breed my pewter X cinnamon
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Ballpythonguy92
Yea that's my only problem is kinking as their dad had a slight kink in his tail and was removed when a baby I only found out it was cut off recently in a video explains small tail kinks usually get cut off so would they be more prone to kinking if their dad was slightly kinked? And my questions about her weight as I've never bred one this low but she's been putting on good weight and would lay late in the year if she does and I've Been wanting supers a d silver bullets
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This post the father is kinked
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Re: Should I breed my pewter X cinnamon
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Ballpythonguy92
Yeup may 10th 2015
Fresh out the egg only minutes old I was soo happy because 4 cinnamons came out then her and then 2 more cinnies lol I bred a super to a pastel and the odds kicked me hard
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This post is the resulting clutch. "I bred a super to a pastel" unless this is a different pewter suddenly in question. Op bred the kinked super.
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Yea but what I'm meaning by that is this tiny tiny piece of his tail and wondering if that will happen if I bred the completely unkinked babies to each other if I'd get the same kind of kinking or worse due to the farther having a stubbed tail due to it being cut due to a small tail kinks the farther wasn't messed up like most think when they hear that word
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Re: Should I breed my pewter X cinnamon
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Asherah
But you bred the kinked deformed father...
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Wasn't anything wrong with the dad he was bred to many females before I got him and even after me because it doesn't have spinal kinking or duck billing or what not he just had the tip of his tail kinked up or to the side and what most breeders appearantly do is cut that off and why I said I think that's why he had a stubbed tail which doesn't mean it had a kinked tail that was cut it simply can be a birth defect as super cinnies have alot of them but again I also didn't learn of this tail cutting up until 6 months ago and up till then I believed he was born with that stubbed tail but it never hindered his ability to poop shed or breed he has fathered many babies from what I know but only that 1 clutch with me ill go see if I have pictures of his tail just to show every one what he looks like
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Also want to say this got way off topic I just wanted to know if the babies would have the same tail defect or worse lol but either way somethings bound to happen when you bring up something like kinking
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Re: Should I breed my pewter X cinnamon
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Ballpythonguy92
Wasn't anything wrong with the dad he was bred to many females before I got him and even after me because it doesn't have spinal kinking or duck billing or what not he just had the tip of his tail kinked up or to the side and what most breeders appearantly do is cut that off and why I said I think that's why he had a stubbed tail which doesn't mean it had a kinked tail that was cut it simply can be a birth defect as super cinnies have alot of them but again I also didn't learn of this tail cutting up until 6 months ago and up till then I believed he was born with that stubbed tail but it never hindered his ability to poop shed or breed he has fathered many babies from what I know but only that 1 clutch with me ill go see if I have pictures of his tail just to show every one what he looks like
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Kinked or stub tailed either one was a deformity. The size or position of the kink is irrelevant. I'd also like to point out that cutting a kink out of an animal, is so far as I know, not a common practice among breeders (although reputable breeders feel free to step in and correct me here) unless done by a vet for the heath and safety of the animal. My point with this is that you claim not to breed a deformed animals yet you did, and now you want to pair 2 full siblings from this same animal, all before the female is even two years old. Weight or not, it's not shall we say, exemplary breeding practices. Three is generally held as a sign of maturity. I have heard of breedings at 2, going on three, but breeding an aminal a little over a year and a half could arguably be called selfishness. It's simply not in the best interest of the animal. You might want to step back a moment and consider why you are doing these things rather than tossing snakes at each other. They deserve the best care that you can provide them.
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This is a screenshot of a picture where I was holding a few snakes but I zoomed in on my super cinnamons tail
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I know the mom doesn't matter but I wanted to include a pic I had of her after breeding but before laying eggs
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On the eggs of the clutch those 2 babies I'm wanting to breed came from theirs Moss all over still lol she destroyed the hide box
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Re: Should I breed my pewter X cinnamon
Pete khal stats tail cutting in a video about kinked caramel albinos go look it up
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Re: Should I breed my pewter X cinnamon
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Asherah
Kinked or stub tailed either one was a deformity. The size or position of the kink is irrelevant. I'd also like to point out that cutting a kink out of an animal, is so far as I know, not a common practice among breeders (although reputable breeders feel free to step in and correct me here) unless done by a vet for the heath and safety of the animal. My point with this is that you claim not to breed a deformed animals yet you did, and now you want to pair 2 full siblings from this same animal, all before the female is even two years old. Weight or not, it's not shall we say, exemplary breeding practices. Three is generally held as a sign of maturity. I have heard of breedings at 2, going on three, but breeding an aminal a little over a year and a half could arguably be called selfishness. It's simply not in the best interest of the animal. You might want to step back a moment and consider why you are doing these things rather than tossing snakes at each other. They deserve the best care that you can provide them.
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My point is I wouldn't breed a deformed animal as in its extremely kinked where it has like pyramid like kinks or duck bills where it can't eat proper even if an animal has no eyes or 1 I wouldn't breed it having nothing wrong besides the littlest bit of its tail missing doesn't classify as a deformed animal that's an animal that's had a minor accident but is fine in every other way like ok say I lost a finger does that make me deformed no makes me have 1 less finger I can still do everything fine
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