Need opinions guys! opportunity...

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Originally Posted by Fraido

I must be strange, haha, because I love the look of that snake! I love the blotches, the hectic pattern, like the gravel/sand/etc. in a creek.

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I must be strange too, cause I thought after I saw that second picture that she was pretty too haha.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Depends on how you define an opportunity, to me an opportunity is to add the best example of a mutation in my collection and I am very picky, also when it comes to certain mutations, I like to know what lineage I am working with , while it does not matter to some I like to know what Black Pastel Lineage I am working. (I currently work with two lines)

Other see an opportunity as getting a snake for cheap regardless of what the animal looks like just to be able to say they have said snakes.

Ultimately YOUR choice you are the one that will care for that animal, no one else, and hopefully if you do get this female and decide to breed her to a Black Widow you are fully aware of the possible issues you can end up dealing with.

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I don't think I am going to get her, but since I am not aware, what would the issues be?
I am no breeder by any means and may not even breed, it was just something I was thinking of maybe looking into down the line.

She was just added to Morph Market for 375. I'm really confused why they listed her looking so washed out and thin compared to that second picture?

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Originally Posted by Kaylaaa

I don't think I am going to get her, but since I am not aware, what would the issues be?
I am no breeder by any means and may not even breed, it was just something I was thinking of maybe looking into down the line.

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The problem with Super Cinny, Super Black Pastel and 8 Balls is that they are prone to kinking duck billing etc, it's not uncommon in a clutch to see all supers being severely deformed, so it is to keep in mind when breeding those......it only however affect the super form so other combos are fine.

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Originally Posted by HannahLou

She was just added to Morph Market for 375. I'm really confused why they listed her looking so washed out and thin compared to that second picture?

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I saw that too. I have no idea why she is using the first picture, the second is much better. She was going to let me have her for $225, but I decided against it.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

The problem with Super Cinny, Super Black Pastel and 8 Balls is that they are prone to kinking duck billing etc, it's not uncommon in a clutch to see all supers being severely deformed, so it is to keep in mind when breeding those......it only however affect the super form so other combos are fine.

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Good to know! I have never bred before so I don't know much about it. But if I ever did decide to down the line I would obviously research quite a bit more. :)

I saw this on sale on another site and noticed that the seller only wanted to accept Western Union or Walmart Moneygram for payment. Unless you are local and can see and pick her up in person, this is usually a red flag for me.

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Originally Posted by D_ONE

I saw this on sale on another site and noticed that the seller only wanted to accept Western Union or Walmart Moneygram for payment. Unless you are local and can see and pick her up in person, this is usually a red flag for me.

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I am local, but decided against getting her.

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Originally Posted by Warren_Booth

My feeling has always been to buy the absolute best animal of a given morph I can afford, and not to get something just because someone offers it to me. There really is no point asking anyone on here for their opinion, and the reason for that is this. Is this an animal you really want to have in your group? Is this one you have been looking for and can't wait to have? Is this one you want so much that you are willing to pass on just any old animal in favor of getting the one you actually want? Of the answer is yes to all of those, and this is the animal that really makes you sit back in awe, then this is the animal for you. if not, then move along. You are not a rescue, and there is no need to spend money on any old animal.

Personally however, I think this is a pretty ugly snake and would not personally want to plug that into other morphs. Its a very poor representative of the morph in my eyes.

Warren

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Originally Posted by Fraido

I must be strange, haha, because I love the look of that snake! I love the blotches, the hectic pattern, like the gravel/sand/etc. in a creek.

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Originally Posted by Kaylaaa

I must be strange too, cause I thought after I saw that second picture that she was pretty too haha.

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i agree w/ Warren in that it's not a representative of an 8 Ball. it's too blotchy, too grey. here's some of my Super Cinny/Black Pastel's:

Shadow - i got her from a very good local breeder. she's a Super Cinny and possibly het G-Stripe. She's in shed in these pix, and only has 2 small, feint blotches. pretty clean for a Super Cinny.
http://i.imgur.com/iVmm577m.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KLqdnrAm.jpg


Tinman - he's a Silver Bullet (Super Cinny Pastel), he's gotten more grey and silvery, he's developed more blotches as he's gotten older. u can see why i thought the BP u posted was an 8 Ball Pastel or Silver Bullet.
http://i.imgur.com/VeYNHNdm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LgSxUDrm.jpg


Scarecrow - my Super Black Pastel 66% het Pied.
http://i.imgur.com/NKWyI7fm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HJFuY1Hm.jpg


Edit: i can also play devil's advocate for the 8 Ball u did post tho. although most would consider it "ugly" i think it might be good for an Urban Camo project with all of it's blotches and "pattern." i think Brandon Osborne could sell a BP like that for 3-4 times that price. it kinda looks like is Vanished Vanishing line.

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Originally Posted by Ax01

i agree w/ Warren in that it's not a representative of an 8 Ball. it's too blotchy, too grey. here's some of my Super Cinny/Black Pastel's:

Shadow - i got her from a very good local breeder. she's a Super Cinny and possibly het G-Stripe. She's in shed in these pix, and only has 2 small, feint blotches. pretty clean for a Super Cinny.
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...2FiVmm577l.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...2FKLqdnrAl.jpg

Tinman - he's a Silver Bullet (Super Cinny Pastel), he's gotten more grey and silvery, he's developed more blotches as he's gotten older. u can see why i thought the BP u posted was an 8 Ball Pastel or Silver Bullet.https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...2FVeYNHNdl.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...2FLgSxUDrl.jpg



Scarecrow - my Super Black Pastel 66% het Pied.
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...2FNKWyI7fl.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...2FHJFuY1Hl.jpg

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I'm not saying it's a good example of an 8 Ball, but that I personally love the way it looks. Maybe it's just because I don't breed, so I don't care about the best example of a morph, but whether or not I find the individual snake beautiful. To me, I think this snake is gorgeous. I also think a good example of an 8 Ball is gorgeous, though I would prefer the blotchy snake OP was considering.

I think as long as you follow proper quarantine procedures and you want to try, then go for it. Does look like mites to me, definitely treat her like she has the plague until she is healthy and mite free would be what I would do. I usually quarantine for a fairly long time, depending on the animal. I have quarantined lizards for 6 months before because i thought they were worth the investment of time to be sure they were perfect (they were)

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