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Originally Posted by Micki

You said your less than 50 lb dog could deliver a serious bite, I compared it to weight appropriate snake. A lab can easily weigh 80lbs, it doesn't require an experienced owner to own a lab. An 80 lb snake requires an experienced keeper. There really isn't a comparison to be made between a dog and a snake. They evolved completely different.

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Okie dokie.

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Originally Posted by butterballpython

I disagree quite strongly with you regarding certain breeds of dogs. Years ago I was a rep to the Arizona Dog Council when breed specific legislation began cropping up in California, and I was one of the people who fought against breed specific legislation. Since then, I have educated myself on the topic (not via popular "poor misunderstood pit bull" propaganda, but by looking at statistics and amount of damage inflicted), and now regret having taken that stand in the past. I highly recommend looking at the web site www.dogsbite.org for compiled statistics. I've been threatened by stray pit bulls on my own property, and a coworker's grandson was the victim of an unprovoked pit bull mauling several weeks ago. My neighbor's sheltie puppy was mauled to death by unleashed pit bulls while she was taking it out for a walk, and the pits went for her, too. There are some breeds that are more dangerous than others, and need to be controlled.

On the other hand, I do agree with you that people fear snake bites way out of proportion to the actual damage inflicted--at least in the case of smaller to medium sized, non-venomous snakes. :)

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This isn't what the topic is about. Except your last paragraph.

And, unfortunately you are looking at manipulated stats. That website has an agenda which I fully expected. By the way pit bulls are typically more difficult to protection train due to the fact that in their creation dogs that bit their handlers or others were culled or never used for breeding. They don't want to bite people generally. They are one of the most man friendly breeds out there. Pete The Pup from the Little Rascals TV show was the ultimate kids dog. He was the first dual registered American Pit Bull Terrier / Amstaff.

It's not the breed of dog but irresponsible ownership that is the problem. Every instance you personally mentioned was with an unleashed dog or a dog not being supervised properly. Leash laws solve 95 % of all dog issues when followed. Maybe there are more "reported and sensationalized bites" puplisized but just like with snakes the media will run with what it can. ANY large dog can inflict significant damage. Try using a similar mindset with races of people and crimes committed and see how it flies when you want to categorize something. It's the owners NOT the breed of dog or snake. It's the individual person, not the ethnic background of the person comitting the crime. I have dealt with more dogs than most people and can tell you where the problems come from and it's not breed specific.

As I said earlier, if this topic starts to stray from its intended purpose I'll ask the moderators to remove it or delete comments negative toward snakes or dogs especially certain breeds. Do not infer that pit bulls are a problem breed because they are not. Nor are snakes owned by responsible people.

As far as comparing bites, the purpose here is to show more often than not, the pet considered safe by the general public, will usually cause more damage biting than a bite from a snake which is considered wild and dangerous by the ill informed. Dogs generally outweigh snakes until you get into the larger constrictors. True giants in the snake world are potentially every bit as dangerous or more-so when in full feeding mode.

Do not use this topic to defame pit bulls, bull breeds or any other dog breed for that matter. That is the EXACT mentality anti-reptile fanatics use to wage war on our snakes and I don't want it here.

If I didn't make that clear in the first post it should be now.

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Originally Posted by Micki

You said your less than 50 lb dog could deliver a serious bite, I compared it to weight appropriate snake. A lab can easily weigh 80lbs, it doesn't require an experienced owner to own a lab. An 80 lb snake requires an experienced keeper. There really isn't a comparison to be made between a dog and a snake. They evolved completely different.

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The spirit of the post isn't about comparing bites battle scar to battle scar. It's not about putting the two animals in the same weight class and figuring out which is the heavy hitter.

It's about comparing perceptions.

That said not all dog breeds are created equal. I will take the 80 lb constrictor over an 80 lb Fila brasileiro every single friggin time.

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Originally Posted by voodoolamb

The spirit of the post isn't about comparing bites battle scar to battle scar. It's not about putting the two animals in the same weight class and figuring out which is the heavy hitter.

It's about comparing perceptions.

That said not all dog breeds are created equal. I will take the 80 lb constrictor over an 80 lb Fila brasileiro every single friggin time.

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The two just really aren't comparable. Can dogs bite hard, absolutely. But they are different types if pets. A snake bite can be dangerous. It is not safe for an average person to keep a monster snake, they are only safe for people experienced with large reptiles. Without abuse and very basic training most large dogs are fine for regular dog owners.

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Originally Posted by butterballpython

I disagree quite strongly with you regarding certain breeds of dogs. Years ago I was a rep to the Arizona Dog Council when breed specific legislation began cropping up in California, and I was one of the people who fought against breed specific legislation. Since then, I have educated myself on the topic (not via popular "poor misunderstood pit bull" propaganda, but by looking at statistics and amount of damage inflicted), and now regret having taken that stand in the past. I highly recommend looking at the web site www.dogsbite.org for compiled statistics. I've been threatened by stray pit bulls on my own property, and a coworker's grandson was the victim of an unprovoked pit bull mauling several weeks ago. My neighbor's sheltie puppy was mauled to death by unleashed pit bulls while she was taking it out for a walk, and the pits went for her, too. There are some breeds that are more dangerous than others, and need to be controlled.

On the other hand, I do agree with you that people fear snake bites way out of proportion to the actual damage inflicted--at least in the case of smaller to medium sized, non-venomous snakes. :)

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Your link and views are still skewed a little. A "Pit Bull" outnumbers all other dog breeds in our nation.
This is a two sided coin because not all the dogs/attacks reported are true PBs, many cities classify a muscular build and short hair fall under the PB class.
I deal with the BSL ignorance almost on a daily basis and many people open their eyes after dealing with my dogs.
This is a whole decades long debate that really isn't for this thread or site.
My only point is don't believe everything you read or hear ;)

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Originally Posted by Micki

A lab can easily weigh 80lbs, it doesn't require an experienced owner to own a lab.

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Have you ever dealt with an untrained full grown lab?
Owning any dog ,the owner should have some experience to train it......

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Your link and views are still skewed a little. A "Pit Bull" outnumbers all other dog breeds in our nation.
This is a two sided coin because not all the dogs/attacks reported are true PBs, many cities classify a muscular build and short hair fall under the PB class.
I deal with the BSL ignorance almost on a daily basis and many people open their eyes after dealing with my dogs.
This is a whole decades long debate that really isn't for this thread or site.
My only point is don't believe everything you read or hear ;)


Have you ever dealt with an untrained full grown lab?
Owning any dog ,the owner should have some experience to train it......

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Yea I live in the country. People get large mix dogs(mostly pit or lab mixes) and put them outside. They aren't leash trained or house trained and usually don't receive enough social interaction. Without abuse they are usually harmless.

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Originally Posted by Micki

You said your less than 50 lb dog could deliver a serious bite, I compared it to weight appropriate snake. A lab can easily weigh 80lbs, it doesn't require an experienced owner to own a lab. An 80 lb snake requires an experienced keeper. There really isn't a comparison to be made between a dog and a snake. They evolved completely different.

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While I haven't yet come across an aggressive lab (I'm sure they are out there...) the Lab my roommate owns is still a puppy, is highly untrained, and literally gears into everything. My roommate and I would both agree that a lab requires plenty of dog owning experience.

Any large animal requires more experience than a small one, imo

I'm pretty sure that's the similarity that was attempted to be drawn. Not in the handling/care taking.


Herp Derp

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Originally Posted by Micki

Yea I live in the country. People get large mix dogs(mostly pit or lab mixes) and put them outside. They aren't leash trained or house trained and usually don't receive enough social interaction. Without abuse they are usually harmless.

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So are snakes when caged and properly raised. Very few incidents ever occur. Your ideology suggests snakes are prone to bite and are by nature unsafe.

A play puppy bite is more painful than most snake bites. If you read the first post from the start you'd see I was not giving a worst case scenario. In general play bites or nips from "safe" pets are more damaging. I noted the exceptions maybe you misunderstood the topic.

I was bitten by a small pet rat once and it hurt far more than any snake bite I've had.

I also mentioned bite mechanics. Your apples to oranges point actually furthers mine. Snake mouths/teeth are designed to hold not crush or or chew. Hence the bites are generally less damaging. The whole point once again.

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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

While I haven't yet come across an aggressive lab (I'm sure they are out there...) the Lab my roommate owns is still a puppy, is highly untrained, and literally gears into everything. My roommate and I would both agree that a lab requires plenty of dog owning experience.

Any large animal requires more experience than a small one, imo

I'm pretty sure that's the similarity that was attempted to be drawn. Not in the handling/care taking.


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I get the point that was being made. I just don't feel the comparison is fair. Small dogs, in my experience, bite more often from fear than large dogs bite (people) from aggression.

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Originally Posted by Gio

So are snakes when caged and properly raised. Very few incidents ever occur. Your ideology suggests snakes are prone to bite and are by nature unsafe.

A play puppy bite is more painful than most snake bites. If you read the first post from the start you'd see I was not giving a worst case scenario. In general play bites or nips from "safe" pets are more damaging. I noted the exceptions maybe you misunderstood the topic.

I was bitten by a small pet rat once and it hurt far more than any snake bite I've had.

I also mentioned bite mechanics. Your apples to oranges point actually furthers mine. Snake mouths/teeth are designed to hold not crush or or chew. Hence the bites are generally less damaging. The whole point once again.

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Large snakes don't kill by biting, dogs do. You showed a pick from a large breed dog with an above average bite force ( for even a dog) and compared it to a bite of a baby constrictor to prove snakes are less dangerous than dogs. A lot of snake behavior is instinctual. I have never been worried that one of my dogs would accidentally or out of fear bite me. I read multiple accounts on here of bad bad snake care( I'm a newb so I can only imagine what it sounds like to pros). Those mistakes they are making with baby balls and corn snakes would repeatedly earn them stitches and escapes from a Burmese, retic, or anaconda.

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