Spider Ball Python Wobble?

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Phantom Spiders are classified as "designer morphs" however as they are the result of two normal morphs breeding... The BP still shouldn't have been worth $200.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

still not a spider but if it makes you feel better to call it that we will just call it a spider which are not worth $200 either $50 to $75 :rolleyes:

BTW phantom spider looks like this http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...spider/001.jpg no resemblance whatsoever with your snake.

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actually, that looks exactly like my snake, but bigger. :colbert:

Maybe the photos are crappy, but I will trust an official breeder, and several at that, over someone online who happens to disagree with me based on mere photos


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Either way he was priced online at $30... In store at $60... And last second they surprised me with "fancy" because I shoo'd away the girl taking him out of the cage because she was scaring him and he was looking to tag her. (She was going at his head and very shaky-like.)

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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

Additionally,

Phantom Spiders are classified as "designer morphs" however as they are the result of two normal morphs breeding... The BP still shouldn't have been worth $200.

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Here is a phantom spider from WOBP
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...hantom-spider/

The fancy ball python category at the pet store is very misleading. The category can have spiders, lemon blasts, spinners, pretty much anything but frequently I see normals in those cases that have a unique pattern or markings so that gives them the excuse to charge way more than it's worth. In the few stores around me the "fancy" costs $119 and then there's premium and super premium that cost way more.

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Right just like it can only eat fuzzy mice :rolleyes:

Who are those official breeder that say it's a Spider can you please post the convo where they identify your snake.

You want proper identification it's easy post quality pictures, it's not that hard all you have to do his from the side and the top and turn the light on ;)

But hey what do I know about BP morphs :rolleyes:

I'm with Deborah 100%, sorry. I also wouldn't shove her opinion aside like nothing, she's got a lot of experience... and, your snake really looks nothing like that phantom spider she posted. 😅

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It looks like a reduced pattern normal. If indeed it was created by breeding 2 normals..its a normal.. Only way you can prove otherwise, is breed it to see if it produces spiders.

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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

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Phantom Spiders are classified as "designer morphs" however as they are the result of two normal morphs breeding... The BP still shouldn't have been worth $200.

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Where do you get this info? There is no source I can find that backs that up. If a normalxnormal breed...it creates a normal...

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Originally Posted by Jeanne

Where do you get this info? There is no source I can find that backs that up. If a normalxnormal breed...it creates a normal...

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the same website that Debora posted. I was covering the fact that I still have a right to be mad that I got screwed over.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Right just like it can only eat fuzzy mice :rolleyes:

Who are those official breeder that say it's a Spider can you please post the convo where they identify your snake.

You want proper identification it's easy post quality pictures, it's not that hard all you have to do his from the side and the top and turn the light on ;)

But hey what do I know about BP morphs :rolleyes:

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heard of Brian Barczyk (I probably spelled his name wrong) from SnakeBytesTV? I tweeted him a photo, and asked him about the "fancy" thing. He clarified it's a spider.

Additionally, I had tweeted him a photo of my snake.

https://i.imgur.com/iP3p7jo.png

That at is just one of the online contacts. Another breeder is actually a friend I've known for a while online. She's not really a professional like Brian is, however she was the one who initially warned me about the spider wobble. Told me to watch out for it because some spider bps get culled if it prevents them from eating right.

https://i.imgur.com/XAgusRc.jpg

And these are just the online contacts. Unfortunately, in person conversations don't come with transcripts, so I cannot provide proof there.

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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

the same website that Debora posted. I was covering the fact that I still have a right to be mad that I got screwed over.

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I'm guessing you bought it from pet smart? Just my thought since you said fancy. 90% of the time you will get screwed over from an animal purchase there. A fancy normal for $119 is ridiculous and I can't believe it was $200 where you live. I would be really mad also. When buying ball pythons research is crucial, not only husbandry but morphs as well bc of how many different ones there are and how many look pretty similar. I have came across really good deals on bps at pet smart though but that is bc they didn't know what morph it was so just labeled it as they pleased but I never bought one. They have a super pastel in the normal tank onsale for $30 right now at a store close to me that is so tempting but Idk yet since I already have a super pastel. I haven't bought a bp from them but if I did and wasn't sure what it was I would take pictures and post them here asking and would also be looking at pictures online, just some advice for next time. Idk if there's much you can do now. Just learn from it and move on. I was ripped off on my first snake from a breeder and it sucks but I gained a family member and addiction and I don't regret any bit of it. Buying from a reputable breeder online or local is your best bet next time unless you see something you really want and it happens to be a good price.

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