Re: Not good.... R.I. isn't clearing up on it's own
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Originally Posted by Marla
I grew up surrounded by research doctors, immunologists, epidemiologists, and professors, and have training in medicine myself. I helped edit medical journal articles when I was in high school, for crying out loud. I am not unfamiliar with the concepts involved in general immunology, nor some of the specifics. I will readily grant you that there are many ball python keepers with more experience than I with that specific animal, but that does not mean that I am completely ignorant on the subject.
To compare the way the immune systems of warm blooded animals with their own method for internal temperature regulation fight off infection to the way that the immune systems of cold blooded animals fight infections that they have not evolved to be able to deal with in the first place is just not reasonable.
If you say it's so than I'm sure you are plenty familiar with general immunology in humans, but it's a entirely different ball game to suggest that those concepts apply in the same way to cold blooded animals.
Your posts suggest a method of treatment for respiratory infections in ball pythons that fly in the face of everything that world renowned veterinarians (Klingenberg, Jacobson, and Stahl off the top of my head), whom specialize in the care and treatment of reptiles, advocate.
I have been working with these animals for a very long time ... after my family, they are my life ... I would bet good money that I have probably treated greater numbers of ball pythons with URI than most people have actually seen healthy specimens in their lives. Over the years I have used Amikacin, Enroflaxin, Ciproflaxin, Fortaz, as well as methods involving increasing heat and humidity to treat URI’s in ball pythons of all sizes and ages and can say quite authoritatively that without anti-biotics, it is most likely that even if the URI symptoms go away, sooner or later a ball python will relapse. Anti-biotics are the ONLY way to completely rid a ball python of a respiratory infection that has progressed to the point of “mouth is kinda red & he's got some excess mucus goin on.” as the original poster described.
Marla, if you or anyone else has any kind of direct evidence to the contrary, I’m certainly willing to sit down with all of my records and veterinary reports/receipts and compare notes. Until then to leave me negative feedback calling my opinions (based on experience) about the proper way to treat a ball python with the symptoms described in the original post “inaccurate” is just flat out wrong.
I tried to address this in a PM to Marla instead of dragging this thread where Pete was only trying to get help for his snake into this muck to no avail. Shortly after I was sent an anonymous email telling me that I better “watch it” or “I’ll be banned”.
If my last response was taken as sarcastic then so be it. My intention was only to acknowledge that in the end, Marla has the power around here and I’m well aware that no matter how passionate I feel about my opinions based on my 25 years of experience with this species, it does not matter.
I really wish this could have been taken off line through PM’s, but for whatever reason I got no response.
-adam
Re: Not good.... R.I. isn't clearing up on it's own
Soo.... does this mean no group hug? :tears:
Sorry... someone's gotta try to lighten the mood a bit. :P
Oh, and :please: don't ban him... he's been one of the most valuable assets to my miniscule amount of herp knowlege that I have thus far. I for one (and I'm sure many other people around here) can say that the contributions he makes to this message board far outweigh this disagreement... just my humble opinion. :hmm:
Re: Not good.... R.I. isn't clearing up on it's own
Please PM me more details on the anonymous email with the warning including full header information if you have it as I'd like to look into that.
There was never a need for this thread to become so volatile.
There is room aplenty for us all here - and no "company line" to tow.
The Admin Council exists primarily to avoid a single person having singular control - to avoid such charges of abuse of "power" as you have stated. If people disagree it does not necessrily imply a battle of dominance - nor should they seek to make it so.
This is teetering on the brink of lockage.
Re: Not good.... R.I. isn't clearing up on it's own
Issh
I SERIOUSLY doubt the threat to ban was made by any of the mods or admins - had it been it would not have been anonymous. That is why I'd like the header information so that I might find out who sent such an unwarranted email.
Adam is duly credited with his contributions to the site.
All that being said
CHILL OUT IT IS FRIDAYS EVE!
Re: Not good.... R.I. isn't clearing up on it's own
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Originally Posted by Smulkin
Issh
I SERIOUSLY doubt the threat to ban was made by any of the mods or admins - had it been it would not have been anonymous. That is why I'd like the header information so that I might find out who sent such an unwarranted email.
Hmm... Good point. Happy hunting! :P
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Originally Posted by Smulkin
All that being said
CHILL OUT IT IS FRIDAYS EVE!
True dat! Saturday I'll be 'house' cleaning. It's about time the girls tanks get a renovation. (Yes, tanks... I use glass enclosures... I'm with ya on that one Smulkin) ;)
Re: Not good.... R.I. isn't clearing up on it's own
Hehehe. Smynx still keeps her male fuscus in one - all the rest have been turned into rat housing. Cleaning so many of them just got to be a chore - and those larger tanks are heavy. At this point our son has 2 tanks each housing a plated lizard, a smaller one for his tegu, and I THINK Smynx has a Durango Mtn Kingsnake in glass as well. It's not as easy to maintain as plastic - but for those herps you just CAN'T stop staring at it's quite understandable.
Re: Not good.... R.I. isn't clearing up on it's own
Yeah I've got my beardie in a 40 breeder (that sucker is HEAVY, especially when it's full of substrate and you have to carry it outside to clean it), and my baby balls (about 70 grams a piece) in their own 10 gal tanks. I'm not sure what I'll use when they get bigger. Seeing as how they've been spending most of their time in their hides... the aesthetics of glass is becoming a moot point. Oh well.
I guess that's enough thread hi-jacking for me. :oops:
Re: Not good.... R.I. isn't clearing up on it's own
In this case a quite welcome thread hijacking.
We'll put this thread to bed now.
Note to all users - do NOT take it into your own hands to extend any sorts of warnings or threats to other members - this is wholly unacceptable. If ever you feel that urge - just report the post (little ! warning symbol on the left there) or shoot me a PM! When Sgt Banhammer comes out to play he doesnt do it anonymously. No one is being banned - and i think you could count on a single hand the number of ppl who HAVE been banned in the history of this site . . .
. . . and with the remaining fingers you'd still be able to work the chopsticks for your sushi.
AND most of those folks eventually returned :P
(EDIT and postscript - ADMINS AND MODS will NOT send you anonymous messages. After several inquiries and checking of resources it is evident that such was not the case in this instance)
